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Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about?
    #26818809 - 07/12/20 07:06 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

Are sex and gender the same?
Why some people identify as something other than male/female.
Male/female is physical and can be proven.

If two trans people met and happened to identify as the same gender, would it be considered 'gay' for them to fuck?
Or do specific genders have other specific genders that they favour? (like male/female is commonly the dominant combo)
Even then it's not like people call each other by their gender, we have names.
So what is the actual use of your gender, apart from applying for a job or something?


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26820047 - 07/12/20 07:19 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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Are sex and gender the same?




I see masculine and feminine (gender) as distinctive from male and female (sex). Those things are also distinctive from sexual preference, and or gender preference.

Gender in the individual is rarely either/or.
However, gender and sex are often related. That's why it's sometimes said that women embody femininity and same with men embodying masculinity. There are exceptions.
Sex in the individual is to a high degree one or the other, though a female body may have masculine characteristics and vice versa.
Sexual preference is generally for the opposite.
Gender preference contains some generalities but is more varied than sexual preference.

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Why some people identify as something other than male/female.




Because they don't want their sex to define them I guess. Sex doesn't define a person, but when there is the perception that it does it can create unhappiness.

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If two trans people met and happened to identify as the same gender, would it be considered 'gay' for them to fuck?




I think the encompassing word is queer.

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Or do specific genders have other specific genders that they favour? (like male/female is commonly the dominant combo)




a gender generally seeks it's opposite but there are exceptions. Also, male/female is not gender.

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So what is the actual use of your gender, apart from applying for a job or something?




Gender is a matter of behavior, based off typical physical form. Masculinity is protective, dominant, strong, assertive. Femininity is nurturing, supportive, gentle. If you disagree, keep in mind, gender is not sex nor is anyone only masculine or feminine. There are also negative traits that can be associated with masculine and feminine. Both negative and positive qualities of gender are somewhat subjective though there seems to be genetic and biochemical factors that contribute to gendered behavior.

Another trait that distinguishes gender is that the feminine want's to "shine", to be seen and heard, to be appreciated, to be loved. The masculine want's to love, to see and hear, to appreciate. The typical yin/yang symbol describes yin(feminine) as black and yang white. This could be because they are opposites which seek the other. IOW, yin wants to shine and yang is the light that wants to illuminate. It is often said that yin is seen in shadow.


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Rahz]
    #26820129 - 07/12/20 08:45 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26820370 - 07/13/20 01:01 AM (1 month, 2 days ago)

My piece fell into the heating duck. :goose:


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #26820449 - 07/13/20 04:20 AM (1 month, 2 days ago)

Quaaat!


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26820565 - 07/13/20 07:06 AM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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Kmacmo said:
Are sex and gender the same?

By definition, no. Sex is your biological sex, male/female.  Gender is whatever you identify as.
Why some people identify as something other than male/female.
There is much debate and research still being done.  Some believe it is trauma related, some believe it is a genetic mutations, some believe that it is a choice. I am not sure we will ever know, I believe each case is individual.
Male/female is physical and can be proven.

If two trans people met and happened to identify as the same gender, would it be considered 'gay' for them to fuck?
This is where the idea of removing labels from relationships and letting love be love is important. And minding our own business.
Or do specific genders have other specific genders that they favour? (like male/female is commonly the dominant combo)
Even then it's not like people call each other by their gender, we have names.
So what is the actual use of your gender, apart from applying for a job or something?

Gender can lead to funding for certain things for certain organizations. Or advocacy and rights.




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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Jewstress] * 1
    #26820569 - 07/13/20 07:08 AM (1 month, 2 days ago)

As someone with a degree in social work, I was taught that sex is what you are physically born as.

Gender is however you identify with one of the millions of label choices out there these days... also I want to note... gender is not the same as LOVE/SEXUAL relationship preference.

So, if your sex is female and you identify as a woman/female your gender is female.  It doesn't matter if you want to fuck a girl, then you're a lesbian which is completely different than gender. I get uber frustrated when people try to use their preference as  gender thing too.


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Jewstress]
    #26820632 - 07/13/20 08:10 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26821095 - 07/13/20 01:08 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Some great input, informative and interesting. I shall have more respect for a person's right to choose.


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Jewstress]
    #26821195 - 07/13/20 02:01 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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Jewstress said:
As someone with a degree in social work, I was taught that sex is what you are physically born as.

Gender is however you identify with one of the millions of label choices out there these days... also I want to note... gender is not the same as LOVE/SEXUAL relationship preference.

So, if your sex is female and you identify as a woman/female your gender is female.  It doesn't matter if you want to fuck a girl, then you're a lesbian which is completely different than gender. I get uber frustrated when people try to use their preference as  gender thing too.



great to see something meaningful and on topic.


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26822031 - 07/13/20 10:16 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Transsexual fetish..?

Associations: The man wants a woman to penetrate him..

The man is turned on by woman who can take charge and/or act aggressively.. Having a penis is a sign of this on the shemales side.

The question becomes.. can the penis actually changed from male to female..?

There are lots of Hentai movies that go through a Lady that can either grow a penis or an extended clit..


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26822340 - 07/14/20 05:03 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I have close male friends, relatives who have this feminine aura around them the way they talk, think, act etc.. I see women in them. Even the pitch of their voice is,,, in between I would say.

They are happily married, they have kids. And I honestly dont think they desire man. They know their physiology is this way, but they live the life they choose. So it brings me to the conclusion that gender is optional.


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: mkcobain]
    #26823721 - 07/14/20 06:50 PM (1 month, 12 hours ago)

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I have close male friends, relatives who have this feminine aura around them the way they talk, think, act etc.. I see women in them. Even the pitch of their voice is,,, in between I would say.

They are happily married, they have kids. And I honestly dont think they desire man. They know their physiology is this way, but they live the life they choose. So it brings me to the conclusion that gender is optional.





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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Jewstress] * 1
    #26824039 - 07/14/20 09:40 PM (1 month, 9 hours ago)

Feminine & Masculine, like any opposites are two sides of a coin :yinyang2:  If you only accept 1 side of the coin and always reject the other side, your in for some deluded living - and that makes everyone’s lives more difficult.

Similar to how some people only accept youth - and not the full aging process.  Creates problems when we cling to only 1 side of the coin / a perceptual slice of the whole as the only right way.  It’s extreme & radical if you really consider it in depth...


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Kmacmo] * 1
    #26824070 - 07/14/20 09:56 PM (1 month, 9 hours ago)

Quote:

Kmacmo said:
Are sex and gender the same?
Why some people identify as something other than male/female.
Male/female is physical and can be proven.

If two trans people met and happened to identify as the same gender, would it be considered 'gay' for them to fuck?
Or do specific genders have other specific genders that they favour? (like male/female is commonly the dominant combo)
Even then it's not like people call each other by their gender, we have names.
So what is the actual use of your gender, apart from applying for a job or something?




Trans Folks
It's really become muddy in the past decade. I blame it on the "everything is a social construct" idea which has been repeatedly proven incorrect time and time again. This is really a giant can of worms, tbh.

Here's the truth: humans have male hormones (androgens) and female hormones (estrogens). There is absolutely a dichotomy. Differences in those level of hormones don't move you along a continuum, that's a ridiculous idea. I am a male but likely have higher than normal estrogens just because of my genes. That so, I'm still classically male in every respect in my thinking and feeling. Likewise, my fiancee has actually been diagnosed with having excess androgens and while a bit weird, she is far more in line with the same kind of emotions and thinking as other females.

As far as transgender folks, there is actually a biological explanation for this. A few weeks after birth, baby boys get flooded with testosterone. This is commonly believed to be a masculinization of the brain. Sex differences show up before puberty, and that fact backs that up. Now imagine, for whatever biological glitch, a female has this same flood of testosterone or a male lacks it. It's reasonable to think they would grow up feeling like the wrong gender.


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Darwin23]
    #26824087 - 07/14/20 10:12 PM (1 month, 9 hours ago)

I don’t think anyone is saying sex is a social construct.


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26824515 - 07/15/20 07:12 AM (1 month, 6 minutes ago)

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Feminine & Masculine, like any opposites are two sides of a coin :yinyang2:  If you only accept 1 side of the coin and always reject the other side, your in for some deluded living - and that makes everyone’s lives more difficult.






Actually according to Jung, the opposite gender is our shadow self, and we have to do a lot of shadow work to create balance.  It's more of an internal struggle than external.  Externally affects our internal unconscious which relates to the opposite sex.



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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Jewstress]
    #26824519 - 07/15/20 07:14 AM (1 month, 4 minutes ago)



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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: Jewstress] * 1
    #26824939 - 07/15/20 11:12 AM (30 days, 20 hours ago)

that struggle is balance.  But,  experientially Internal & external are not 2.  They’re seamless.


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Re: Transgenders, genders, sex... what's it all about? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26826173 - 07/16/20 12:39 AM (30 days, 6 hours ago)

I'm a masculine presenting transgender lesbian.

In other words, I used to be a straight dude that looks like a straight dude but I wanted a job and because my company needed to hit a female hiring quota I decided to be a woman.


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