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Do fundamental laws conduct nature's orchestra?
    #26816841 - 07/11/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Under a nice dose of P. Subaeruginosa in the forest I got to thinking about the symphony of sound thereabouts. Years ago I read that in deep rainforests like the Amazon if a sound-producing species dies out in a region the aural gap left in the forest song was taken up by something else. The authors made it sound like some kind of 'nature is mysterious and profound' scenario and offered no explanation, but what if it's this(?):

The most basic sound producing organism probably isn't that complex. The duration and timing of its aural outputs are probably entirely dependent on biochemical processes: how long does it take bio-chemical process X to generate enough power to produce aural output, and for how long? So this organism's aural outputs have periodicity dictated by fundamental laws of chemistry.

When another organism wants to produce a sound it wants to be heard, and so it slips its sound in between the periodic output of the most basic aural organism, and then others slot their sounds in where they can and so on. So the 'song' of the forest is orchestrated to the beat of the simplest organisms (running biochemical processes).

If a species that normally filled out some aspect of the overall soundscape suffers extinction some other species just seizes upon the opportunity to be heard by slipping their noise into the gap. Nothing mysterious about it at all really, and now that I set it out in words it seems so obvious it's barely worth saying except that it seems cool that the 'beat' of the forest's song is kept by the basic laws of chemistry.


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Re: Do fundamental laws conduct nature's orchestra? [Re: FrenziedTortoise]
    #26817051 - 07/11/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

physics and chemistry are about behaviors in systems which have structure and which intake and outflow to other systems.

you want to take into consideration the scale of things, and the relative structure of the things that contain, conduct, and integrate with fluids and solids of various origins and complexity.

actually it is pretty lawless but very consistent behavior.


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Re: Do fundamental laws conduct nature's orchestra? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26818622 - 07/12/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

How would anything in a concretevexist other than being itself.. roots, branches etc.. the only whole is space whether occupied by matter or not.. with matter the zero point energy is min.. but in the vacuum of space(also zero point energy)..the temperature is zero.. absolutely


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Re: Do fundamental laws conduct nature's orchestra? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26818738 - 07/12/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

do such moment exist? is there a particle of space, and can it contain nothing and still be a particle?


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Re: Do fundamental laws conduct nature's orchestra? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26820336 - 07/13/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nothing or its application nothingness is always as proper as a commited term describing the nothingness perfectly is too also know the mystery..

Put.. like everything in reality into its proper place.

When all things are sorted by their energies.. than the knowledge of energy.. constant change.. will show the true meaning of the object..


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