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Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion
    #26818348 - 07/11/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hi guys!

So I've got a bunch of fresh (picked yesterday morning) pan. cyans here in Northern Thailand but I'm finding conflicting reports about dosage.

It seems like most people recommend 1g dry for a solid trip, and that's like 10-15g fresh?

We ate 12g apiece last week and had what I would call threshold or slightly higher effects. I was the only one of the group with experience tripping, and the other 2 kept saying that they "didn't feel anything". I did, but it was very slight.

Today I'd like to have a full experience. I was thinking ~25g or 20g fresh. The pans from today are from a different field, but within a few km of each other.

I'm experienced with cubes (which I also have :mushroom2: ) but not with these.

Ive seen someone say that in Amsterdam they were sold in 12g packs which were very strong, but that doesn't seem the case with these wilds.

Anything definitive? My gf had 38g fresh of cubes recently and tripped but not so intensely, maybe environmental factors are at play, idk.

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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: JourneyKitchen]
    #26818359 - 07/11/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I would only eat 10g and I would dry the rest a soon as possible.


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: Shenmue]
    #26818361 - 07/11/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You might as well make a spore print while you're at it  :smile:...


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: JourneyKitchen]
    #26818382 - 07/11/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

In general the potency of shrooms can vary wildly. Usually if you grind a large batch of dry mushrooms, after 1-2 trips you know well how much to take for a desired level of experience. (also we assume you had enough of a break - usually 4-7 days - for your system to reset, otherwise if taken sooner, you'd need to take more to have the same effect.)

With fresh mushrooms it's much more difficult to predict how much you'd need. The onset is much quicker though, so you can just eat more 30-60min later if you don't feel it's enough.


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: Shenmue]
    #26818386 - 07/11/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I have a bunch dry already. They're super common here.

Thanks retowen, I'll do that. I'm feeling starting with 22 and feeling it out.

It's been like 9 days since the last one.


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: retowen]
    #26818389 - 07/11/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

He can always start at 10g then take more if it's not enough.

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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: JourneyKitchen]
    #26818396 - 07/11/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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JourneyKitchen said:
I have a bunch dry already. They're super common here.

Thanks retowen, I'll do that. I'm feeling starting with 22 and feeling it out.

It's been like 9 days since the last one.




Damn that must be nice! Panaeolus cyanescens is one of the best mushrooms on the planet and you get it for free  :smile:.  22g will probably be = to 6g of dry cubes lol. You're going go be tripping your ass off! :laugh2:


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: Shenmue]
    #26818422 - 07/11/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Could be :grin: I've been there before and I miss it.

But 12g was like... changed headspace, clarity, a feeling of being home. No visuals, no body feeling... music felt very good, but it was like I had to make myself focus on the way that I felt to experience it, basically I was very smiley.

I'll either go pick some more pre dosing or add cubes if I feel it's not enough. I have dry cyans but I'm a bit more confident in the potency retention of the dried cubes.


Edited by JourneyKitchen (07/11/20 11:02 PM)


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: JourneyKitchen]
    #26818438 - 07/11/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You can always have some weed handy and for me at least it always softens things up if it's too strong.


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: JourneyKitchen]
    #26818448 - 07/11/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Could be :grin: I've been there before and I miss it.

But 12g was like... changed headspace, clarity, a feeling of being home. No visuals, no body feeling... music felt very good, but it was like I had to make myself focus on the way that I felt to experience it, basically I was very smiley.

I'll either go pick some more pre dosing or add cubes if I feel it's not enough. I have dry cyans but I'm a bit more confident in the potency retention of the dried cubes.




I bet mushrooms found outdoors have a lot of random potency. Indoor mushrooms are random but it seems like if you buy spores from a good vendor they're usually good. The only time I got low quality is when I went with a cheap spore vendor. I imagine the top spore vendors are getting their prints from really good strain isolations. Sporeworks and mushrooms.com are high quality.


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: Shenmue]
    #26818613 - 07/12/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: Shroomboofer]
    #26819108 - 07/12/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Dry and eat before contam takes them away from you


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: deal-euphoria]
    #26820203 - 07/12/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Guys I ate 22g at 3pm and then ate all of my dried shrooms over the course of the day/evening :mushroom2:


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: JourneyKitchen]
    #26820526 - 07/13/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'll try to make a report, because I've seen a lot of info about redosing that doesn't seem accurate to me.

I didn't weigh what I ate, but I'd guess 5-7g cubes and ~3g copes after the original 22g fresh cyans,from 3pm to 9pm.

Dosing like this was perfect, because I don't believe that I was fully prepared to enter that realm of existence all at once. I haven't tripped on mushrooms properly in probably 3 years. Acid is not the same.

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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: JourneyKitchen]
    #26820777 - 07/13/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Cyans vary wildly. The field I get mine from tend to be unforgivingly potent. A good trip for me is 7g cubensis, well 10 wet grams of my cyans and I'm FLOOOORRREEDDDDDDDD.... like uncomfortably high. As said above, wild mushrooms vary wildly from location to location.


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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26820788 - 07/13/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Cyans vary wildly, yes. Usually, they are two to five times stronger than cubensis, especially fresh ones.

There are even different varieties of Pan cyans all around the world, all with different alkaloid content and ratios.
It's not like Cubensis, where the different varieties are rather similar in strength, no some cyan varieties are like three times more potent as others.

And wildly picked ones are even more like a gamble concerning the potency.

With most cyans, 1 single gram of dry shrooms is enough for a medium to strong experience. 2g can already be too much for some.

I recently had 1.2g of self grown, dry Pan cyans (var hawaiian) that was equally strong as ~3g of good cubensis.

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Re: Fresh Pan Cyan dose confusion [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26826394 - 07/16/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah it's interesting. The cyans here vary in appearance also, I get the gray and blue typical ones, but also a tawny colored type with a soft nipple of sorts. They blue strongly, I was thinking pan tropicalis but I've read that cyans can vary quite a bit in appearance.

Yeah, the cubes here are pretty normal potency wise.

I imagine that cyans dry down to less than 10% of their original weight? They become little wisps with a tiny shriveled umbrella cap.

These ones are quite weak, I would be happy with 30+ grams wet judging by my 2 experiences with them from 2 different fields.


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