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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: Enkidu]
    #26816364 - 07/11/20 01:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

“Life of an ant”. Love it, Enkidu.

I’m with you; there have been times where I have gotten so depressed I’ve taken the mushrooms anyway. And the next day my depression is always gone.

Admittedly, I have also had very challenging trips; but the only thing that has really negatively affected my trips is the current lockdo2n; there is something sinister and really negative about all the energy surrounding my house.

I’m considering tripping tonight, as it looks like the rain we’ve had for the last 7 weeks :eek: is going to fuck off tonight!!! But of the 7 previous trips I’ve had this year, 6mhave been extremely intense and challenging, with the last of those 6 trips my first real “bad” trip in over 30 years!

Something is going on fellas.....

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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast] * 1
    #26816369 - 07/11/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is exactly the thread I needed to see as well.

I too have been planning a trip. I have the next 3 days off of work(even took Monday off specifically to give myself more time to trip), but more time sensitive, my girlfriend is out of town, and this would be the perfect opportunity to trip(I pretty much only like to trip alone, so do it when she is out of town so I can have the space to myself). I'm not sure when she will be out of town again, so this could be my only opportunity for a few months.

I feel this is fairly important, and I know it would be silly to waste the opportunity. But there it is, my ego, something pulling mr back.

I was going to dose today after work(had a half day), but I held back. Funnily enough, I had played Call Of Duty, and was very aggressive and angry playing it(I'm staring to see a negative trend forming around playing this game and my mood) and that put me off. Then I went for an hour walk in the sunshine and fresh air(with a mask), and felt revitalized. I ate some leftover pizza I had, did the dishes, felt overall good, thinking I might take some around 8pm. Then I started playing COD again(LOL), and that put me in a negative state and I no longer felt up to it. 8pm came and went, and I was festy and not in the mood.

I think I will avoid playing tomorrow, and eat a little better, work out and have a walk, and plan for an 8pm lift off time.

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I’ll say this, my rituals, techniques etc mean nothing when it comes time to take it. My technique is, since I planned it, at the hour I plan on taking it, I knock the dose back, no questions asked. I don’t want to give my ego time to run down a list of reasons why it doesn’t want to be disciplined.






Thank you for this perspective, I think this is what I needed to hear. Like showing up for an appointment, I have to walk through that door weather I am ready or not.

I don't think there are any deeper reasons for me resisting, I think it is my ego clinging on. I even found myself wondering, "but what will I do?" which is a really funny thing to ponder.

One thing I know for certain, and I have had this thought many times in my life when I trip, is that I often start a trip thinking, "What the hell am I doing? Do I really need to be taking these strange drugs to have fun or find some meaning? Do I need to get my shit together?", and then I always end off hours later thinking, "Holy shit I am so glad I did this. I need to force myself to do this when I have the rare opportunity, because this is important. This is sacred".

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Psychedelics make you extremely vulnerable and I believe its our defense mechanism kicking in before anything has even started. When I eat them, I eat them quick and fast.. before my mind changes again. Then, After I eat them I get EXTREMELY paranoid and anxiety ridden like "oh man oh man what did I just do":lol:

Then I'll do some breathing, drink some water and try and calm my brain. Then, ironically when the trip starts and I get over that weird comeup anxiety hill.. I 90% of the time always wish I had taken more lol.

Cheers buddy:cheers:




I have mentioned this EXACT thing years ago on this forum, I talked with someone about it in a thread(I'll try to find it), but I have that same feeling, with mushrooms especially. I have like an initial "charge up" period when they start to hit which is fast and can be scary and chaotic, but then I like it a point where I push through the other side, and I know it's just smooth sailing. Any negative experiences I have are almost always in that initial charge up os 30 - 150 minutes, and then I'm filled with joy.

I don't visit this forum much anymore, but every 6 months or so, I will poke in and read some threads, and this one was perfectly timed.


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: Enkidu]
    #26816392 - 07/11/20 02:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Well idk if thats entirely accurate

Plenty of times i knew a trip was what i needed and be good for me but i would push ot off or make excuses then when i finally dosed i thought, fuck, this was so beneficial, i need to force myself to do this more

But you get busy living the life of an ant you know




I agree with this. When to trip and when not to comes down to personal experience. Gaining that experience is not a problem when working with lower doses and working your way up.


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: Azure Essence]
    #26816402 - 07/11/20 02:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

"One thing I know for certain, and I have had this thought many times in my life when I trip, is that I often start a trip thinking, "What the hell am I doing? Do I really need to be taking these strange drugs to have fun or find some meaning? Do I need to get my shit together?", and then I always end off hours later thinking, "Holy shit I am so glad I did this. I need to force myself to do this when I have the rare opportunity, because this is important. This is sacred"."

If these were not illegal and if there was less stigma to using these substances I think this question would not come up so often. I had that thought the first time I took a psychedelic dose this year. But then it comes down to what is fun for us, what is a good method for us to find meaning or center ourselves on our path again. We just have to do what works for us, but that is a good question "do I really need to take these.." because if that keeps on coming up where does the uncertainty come from for this method? Many things are better to be done sober, like the integration from trips and doing the work that you know needs to be done. That doubt and questioning is very important to pay attention to I think. Otherwise we could just be taking mushrooms from the first impulse. With experience these impulses are markedly decreased, at least for me.


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26816406 - 07/11/20 02:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with your post, and it is true. I think it is healthy to have these questions. I have had periods in my life where I went years without taking any psychedelics, because I knew I was not in the right space.

I think when I start to come up, an alert system in my goes off, and I catastrophize. It's interesting for sure, I am working on not having reactions like that, but I thing the questions themselves are not a bad thing.


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: Azure Essence] * 1
    #26816557 - 07/11/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah ove had some difficult ones too and times when they didnt give me what they used to or do for me what they used to

Might still be in one of those spots now actually

If im unsure, or if others are unsure, maybe lower doses are the way to go

Laat 3 or 4 times i ate mushrooms though i thought it was underwhelming and i coulda did more

But its been the majority that if i dose, it benefits me

Kinda wana dose soon

Small doses of dmt are really therapeutic for me too

Like an immediate realignment

I like microdosing too

And some lower level trips may help you get back into that feeling of magic they bring and encourage some deeper ones

Idk this whole life thing is a wild rise sometimes

Then sometimes we gotta assess other areas of our life or lifestyle as well that may be causing a bit of an imbalance

Lots of rain eh?

Weve been on a heat kick here, humid but not much rain. In the 90's, hoping it cools a bit soon


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: Enkidu]
    #26816559 - 07/11/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Haha my subconscious is already playing its tricks on me;,heart feels like it’s in my mouth and palpitations, like I’ve drunk too much coffee! I can now see bits of blue sky, but it’s still only about 14 Celsius! So my ego is telling me to wait another week as the next week is supposed to be dry. It’s a proper mindfuck, guys, isn’t it? Craziest thing about it is that when I do eventually take mushrooms and get past that first anxious stage and get that feeling of relief, that I’ve arrived, I always wish I’d taken more :cookiemonster:

But regarding the weather, one of my brothers returned from Spain yesterday; he was complaining of the 40 Celsius temperatures he left behind. He won’t be suffering now after an alsmost 30 degree drop in temperature Lol

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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26816573 - 07/11/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Damn thats a hot one

Last couple times for me was around 5g in tea and idk if these have been weak or what but i needed 7 i think

Kinda wana eat some tonight now

Often i never plan a trip i just wake up thinking about it and go about my day in a conscious way, maybe do a little fasting in the morning or spend some time on liquids and go straight to fruit to sort of cleanse a bit

Get the place nice and clean, get some exercise in, maybe ive decided on a subconscious level then later i wind up consciously dosing

Maybe the daily practice or rituals of cleaning my inner and outer prepare me for it :shrug:

Today seems like it might be a good day, ill see how it goes


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: Enkidu]
    #26816604 - 07/11/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wish you well, Enkidu. I hope you have a mystical evening :thumbup:

Well an executive decision has been reached! My heart palpitations could only have been brought on by my anxiety towards tonight’s first trip in over two months. If this is anxiety, I feel for people, it’s horrible.

All sorts of stuff playing on my mind, like what if the neighbouring allotment holder turns up and wants to chat, what if kids start throwing stones at my tent from the woods, in which my allotment is surrounded. Etc. Etc.

So I’m taking my tea at 11am on the dot tomorrow morning, not a minute sooner, not a minute later. Then I’m. Going to walk up to my allotment and spend the day up there by a campfire, in the woods. And the mushrooms will be frozen ice cubes of fresh tea, each ice cube 1.8g dry equivalent.

So yes it’s only 3.6g, but it is fresh so should be spectacular. And I think the flush was really strong;,had a 0.2g stalk last week trying my first microdose, and I really felt it! So this 3.6g from fresh should feel closer to 5g.

My heart is starting to slow down. I mean, won’t have a problem with kids during the day, next door allotment chap doesn’t turn up until tea time, nd my wife can pop by every now and then and bring my dogs; that thought alone is making me feel less anxious (even though I prefer tripping completely alone by far!!).

Really can’t wait to get this one under my belt. The next dose after that should coincide with my outdoors psychedlic summerhouse being complete, so I’ll be going for my first large dose in about 3 years.





Can’t wait :feelingfunky:

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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26816625 - 07/11/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds great man

Yeah my 5g trip was feeling like 3g. And usually tea seems stronger.

I wasnt alone either, i too prefer being alone, maybe it prevented me from going deeper

You usually like to dose during the day?


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: Enkidu]
    #26816651 - 07/11/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No I much prefer to trip at night when it’s quiet. There’s generally too much noise during the day which is almost always negative; lorries, power tools, lawnmowers, arguments, cars pulling, driving off.

No I prefer to be alone with my own mind.

But dude I don’t know what’s changed. I’ve tripped for almost 35 years, yet this year I’ve had some rough experiences. I’ve been putting it down to the lockdown.

But my anxiety this morning was just too much. So many what ifs playing on my mind. So the thought of a daytime trip to get be back on a roll just hopefully work just fine.

When I’m back tripping on my own property, and where my daughter won’t have access, that setting is much more under my control. In the shed I won’t even get disturbed by random Amazon deliveries lol (Amazon delivery driver trip: here.

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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26816904 - 07/11/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wow that amazon delivery part sounds very stressful. I can imagine the confusion. You had actually been tripping in fortnightly intervals with no noticeable tolerance? One morning like a month ago I awoke to the sound of my home door in my apartment being drilled! Like wtf is going on?! I went to the door,  but didn't open it because I was naked and maybe it didnt come from my door. Then I put some clothes on and it stopped and went to look and the guy had just got out of sight but I think he was drilling downstairs. I looked at the door and noticed there had been a stopper attached to the top of the door. I figured that was it. No notice from this beforehand. But imagine I was tripping hard and this happened. I guess now I will be more ready if it did happen.


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26816918 - 07/11/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There were so many things weird about that night. But yes I was tripping every two weeks, 3.8g dry lemon tek tea cubensis. If I was dosing stronger, I would notice tolerance on the third trip. But 3.8g turned out to be that sweet spot. I could go further every time from the same dose, and the build up anxiety before taking the mushrooms got much easier.

Because of lockdown, it’s been 2 months now! In depression terms I’m holding it together really well; I think the 5 or 6 months every two weeks really helped me out long term. But my anxiety is at newbie levels; chickened out again tonight. But tomorrow, at 11am exactly, I am taking 3.6g dry weight equivalent in fresh tea ice cubes, PES Amazonian. No excuses. Tent already set up on my allotment; build a fire, snuggle down, listen to the birds and sheep. (A daytime trip is easier to handle so that’s my get out card lol)

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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26817339 - 07/11/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, I thought a fortnight was like 2 nights lol. Of course 2 weeks would not create tolerance...
Mush love to you man and enjoy the trip!


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26817443 - 07/11/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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There were so many things weird about that night. But yes I was tripping every two weeks, 3.8g dry lemon tek tea cubensis. If I was dosing stronger, I would notice tolerance on the third trip. But 3.8g turned out to be that sweet spot. I could go further every time from the same dose, and the build up anxiety before taking the mushrooms got much easier.

Because of lockdown, it’s been 2 months now! In depression terms I’m holding it together really well; I think the 5 or 6 months every two weeks really helped me out long term. But my anxiety is at newbie levels; chickened out again tonight. But tomorrow, at 11am exactly, I am taking 3.6g dry weight equivalent in fresh tea ice cubes, PES Amazonian. No excuses. Tent already set up on my allotment; build a fire, snuggle down, listen to the birds and sheep. (A daytime trip is easier to handle so that’s my get out card lol)

Mush love
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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26817508 - 07/11/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Really can’t wait to get this one under my belt. The next dose after that should coincide with my outdoors psychedlic summerhouse being complete, so I’ll be going for my first large dose in about 3 years.





Can’t wait :feelingfunky:






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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26817926 - 07/11/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's 105 where I'm at it's gonna be 90 f at 9 pm. Rain. Love the rain  :smile:


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Re: Trouble Getting in the mood [Re: slutoni]
    #26818080 - 07/11/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Try a short breathwork, like yogic pranayama or holotropic breathwork. In 10 minutes of it you will be in the mood as your energy will start going up and you will want to go higher and deeper. It is also a great way to prepare your body by pre-opening the energetic channels.


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