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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26816802 - 07/11/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You seem to do everything right.. Maybe your bark is just not very potent?

Dmt doesn't suddenly disappear. It's still in your basic solution, or in the naphtha. Maybe evaporate all naphtha and see what remain in the dish.
If there's dmt in the naphtha it will solidify as crystals or flat residue on the bottom of the dish.

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26816828 - 07/11/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh god after 3 pulls I threw awayyl the entire basic layer.


This really doesn't make sense to me.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26816833 - 07/11/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So the only thing could be in the stirring then.

maybe I should just shake like crazy and make an emulsion and then deal with the emulsion?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26816860 - 07/11/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Damn bro you got rid of your soup..?

Is your pull in the freezer right now?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu]
    #26816869 - 07/11/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes but I got like nothing.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26816902 - 07/11/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well then evape it completly and see what you get.

Everything that was pulled by the naphtha will appear as solid, once the naphtha is all gone.

That's all you can do right now.

Don't know what went wrong. Only possibility I can think of is that your bark is weak in dmt in the first place. :shrug:

Stirring well is all you need to pull the dmt. I always only stirr for a couple of minutes, let separate well and then suck off the naphtha.
Once the naphtha pulled the dmt it will stay in the solvent. It won't go back into the water. :wink:

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26817283 - 07/11/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Alright fuck it here's what I'm going to do:

All the same shit as before (300g MHRB powdered, 200g lye, 2100mL water, 200mL Naphtha)

Except when I put it in the jar into going to shake it like a madman and then put it in the yard.

I live in one of the hottest deserts of North America, it's 108F right now.

So between the shaking and the heat I will almost certainly get an emulsion. But the Naphtha will DEFINITELY have come into contact with everything. Then I can fight the emulsion off tomorrow if it hasn't settled by adding more lye.

What do you guys think?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26817307 - 07/11/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Stirr it well, that's all you need.. :shrug:

Stirr in the beginning when you added the naphtha, let stand, the next day stirr again very well, like 5 to 10 minutes, wait a bit, then stirr again, and then pull the naphtha.

Just make sure that as much of the black liquid as possible gets in contact with the naphtha while stirring..

Don't goal for emulsions, lol. I always only stirr, and it works very well.

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26817322 - 07/11/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I stirred it a decent amount and out of 300g I think I've pulled close to nothing and no one can tell me why. Maybe not as much as I should have but I definitely did stir.

This was my best guess as the vendor I used is supposed to be reputable.

I also used zero heat during all of this.

I also used wayyy too much Naphtha but that would only be more to come into contact with the basic layer when I stirred it. I evaporated a TON of it off but you guys are saying the DMT wouldn't evaporate off.

I'm open to other suggestions but if I do the same thing again I'm going to get the same results. I'll use less Naphtha this time and stir harder but I don't know if that accounts for it.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26817449 - 07/11/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe try some smaller extractions


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu]
    #26817466 - 07/11/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What kind of lye and naphtha do you use?

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26817481 - 07/11/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

VM&P Naphtha

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu]
    #26817488 - 07/11/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So, I really do think it is because of what others have hinted at - because I'm doing so much at once, the Naphtha is not coming in contact with all of the basic layer.

This is why I would like to shake it but that will cause an emulsion. But at least I can get rid of that later and the Naphtha that remains will certainly be saturated. But I don't want to waste any more products guessing either.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26817958 - 07/11/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah do a small extraction and do what other people said and dont shake it

You had 2 people who have done a lot of extractions tell you what to do, just do whst they said


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu] * 2
    #26823701 - 07/14/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Update: Success!



So here's the issue: The straight to base method of just taking a 50g MHRB, 50g Lye, water Naphtha works with just stirring because it's a fairly small amount - the Naphtha is able to touch enough of the aqueous layer to sufficiently capture the DMT.

When you multiply your ratio by 6 like I have (doing 300g MHRB, 200g Lye), stirring simply isn't enough to make the Naphtha come into contact with enough of the aqueous layer and more action is needed.

What did I do? Well I decided to go rogue and shake the bejesus out of the giant gallon jar and deal with any emulsions later. At least then the Naphtha will have the dmt in it. But then I had an idea taking advantage of my current environment - I hear that heat is good for emulsions and I live in the hottest desert in North America (it's 115° today). So I shook the bejesus out of it and stuck it in the sun for a day. Came back and found a nice yellow layer without a hint of emulsion. it's only been in the freezer for a few hours now and I can see a ton of crystals already on the bottom.

Can't comment on yield just yet as I've only done one pull and I haven't weighed anything (looks like a decent amount though!), but I can definitely tell the problem was that with so much mass in the picture, the Naphtha was not touching enough of the aqueous layer and a shake was needed to force it to happen.

Honestly I don't know if the heat did anything or not. I was thinking yes because a different time I shook the bejesus out of it I caused an emulsion whereas this time there was no emulsion but it might just be because I let it sit longer. Maybe next time I will try it without the sun blasting it.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26823739 - 07/14/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Glad you finally got a result mate.  :thumbup:


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26824370 - 07/15/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's hard to see how big that dish is, but that looks like a really decent ammount of crystals for one pull. :smile:

Glad yu had success! :thumbup:

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