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Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum.
#26816976 - 07/11/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought this was interesting so i gave it a try: VDM(Vacuum dried mushroom), TM (traditionally dried mushrooms at 75*C)
To make this as fair as possible these were made from the same culture, of the same strain, in the same harvest, from the same box. After drying both were powdered(this was necessary) and each were ingested in a quantity of 2g in 6 subjects over 12 individual single blind tests.
Using a 0.3hp vacuum pump I simply placed one large mushroom in the vacuum chamber. I then waited 10 minutes. I took out the mushroom an found it had gone from 6.681g to 0.707g. I am 90% certain that all of the water had evaporated, but i only used this process of drying several times so i can't be too sure. After the test mushroom The drying process was done by eye. I waited for the first sign of any splitting of the stems, which usually only took around 7 to 9 minutes.
now for the weird part, the mushroom only shrank by a marginal amount if any until I re-pressurized the chamber, after which it basically fell apart. from all of my testing only one small mushroom remained intact and the density was so low it felt like holding Aerogel (yes i have held Aerogel before I'm a chemist if you couldn't tell by now.) Given the fact that the VDMs were essentially powdered i was forced to powder the TMs as well.
Visual and physical characteristics: VDMs color remains through the drying process, making even powdered VDMs a light brown to tan color. Pieces of dried but intact VDMs look almost no different from when they were undried aside from some lines parallel to the stem forming, as well as some small cracks to the stem. the texture is similar to those cheap "Space ice cream" snacks, while they become extremely brittle to the touch, even breathing on them will usually end with them becoming powdered.
Testing results: All six subjects reported a better taste from the VDMs over TDs, 4 subjects reported that the VDMs were less harsh on their stomach(I consider this statistically insignificant considering the better taste). 3 subjects describe the VDM as more potent but with a shorter effect duration with 1 subject claiming little to no potency difference and 2 describing it as just as potent but a shorter effect duration(I do believe there to be some significance to this finding but not enough testing was done to make any hypothesis). Final thoughts: I did find this to be interesting. the fact that all participants preferred the flavor, and 5/6 finding it to not last as long shows that something is happening differently to the mushrooms when vacuumed then when air dried. Either way more testing has to be done to make any real claims, and I encourage others to try this out if they happen to have a vacuum chamber, and share their experiences.
Edited by BT_Cribo (07/11/20 10:40 AM)
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: BT_Cribo]
#26817152 - 07/11/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you say they were the same culture do you mean you used an isolate or clone? As a chemist do you have access to anything more exacting in measuring alkaloids like HPLC? Even Erlichs might be useful in measuring a decrease in Psilocin/psilocybin.
The amount of heat used to dry mushrooms can effect flavour for sure. The temps we dry at are not meant to ensure a good flavour for sure. I know many commercial mushroom producers that dry product do so at much lower temps to improve the flavour.
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26817210 - 07/11/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean an Isolate. As for measuring alkaloids i have access, but it will be time consuming testing for so many variables. as well with corona going around, it's not as easy to get my hands on a lot of things.
However testing cool dried mushrooms, vs the VDMs would be a good idea, and very easy to test for flavor.
As for testing the alkaloids i will be able to eventually, but atm i don't have everything i need.
*EDIT: I'm not sure testing for alkaloids is needed yet anyways, two batches with the same amounts will often hit very differently. the purpose of this is to test how it feels on an psychoactive level rather than pharmaceutically.
Edited by BT_Cribo (07/11/20 12:25 PM)
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: BT_Cribo]
#26817221 - 07/11/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fair enough. Only reason I ask is because the effects on an individual can be very subjective. Medications, what a person ate that day, cross tolerance, and many other variables.
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26817239 - 07/11/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is why it's a single blind study. they take two doses 2 weeks apart and then fill out a small questionnaire during, and after the effects wear off. Thats the most i personally can do to eliminate as many variables as possible.
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: BT_Cribo]
#26824338 - 07/15/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This has me even more interested in freeze drying.
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: mycologi.st]
#26825470 - 07/15/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How much of a vacuum was pulled? It seems as though the moisture 'boiled' off from the VDM's, which is interesting to me and points to an easy quick dehydration method if there's truly no loss in potency!
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: Justweed]
#26842572 - 07/24/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you have a scope? If you do could you scope some gill frags and see if the spores were damaged from the vac pull? I would be extremely curious, it might have interesting implications for sample collection.
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26922930 - 09/07/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aren't the spores themselves super industrial strength for things like vacuums and changes in pressure and heat? I thought these things could travel through space. I seem to remember hearing some crazy shit about how spores could be alien life forms that came here on a meteor.
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: Funky Monkey]
#26923280 - 09/07/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very interesting investigation, thanks a lot for this! Could it be that the vacuum drying rips apart the cell walls/mushroom tissue, so it is more easily absorbed by the body, thus shorter but more intense effects?
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Re: Small Paper on my findings in drying mushrooms in a vacuum. [Re: sporecap]
#26923289 - 09/07/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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😳.... I don't... think... so..?
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