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DMT utter failure and I don't know why
    #26816760 - 07/11/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I asked a trillion questions to a couple of guys who sounded like they know what they were doing and I thought I followed it pretty exactly but I wound up with nothing when I should have got like probably 6 grams. Maybe someone can help me out?

I took 300g of MHRB, powdered it, mixed it with 2100mL water and 200g of lye.

And I added in 500mL of Naphtha, stirred it and let it sit for 24 hours. I can tell this was far too much Naphtha and I will lower this to 200mL next time.

The next day I came back and sucked off all 500 ml of Naphtha and put it into a large Pyrex glass tray.


I was told I need to evaporate some of it off before I put it in the freezer so I put it in front of the fan. I was told that it will get cloudy at a certain point and that's when you are to put it into the freezer. Well I kept fanning and evaporating it waiting for it to get cloudy and it never did. After a couple of hours I realized like 80% of it had evaporated off yet it was not getting cloudy so I got scared and put in the deep freezer. It is now been a day and there is nothing in the glass Pyrex tray.

Even if I used too much Naphtha, it should have still extracted the DMT right?

Even if I evaporated too much of the Naphtha off, the DMT crystals should still be left behind right? Well they aren't.

Someone suggested that I stir it more to get the Naphtha in better contact with all the DMT floating in the basic region. I mean I did three pulls and stirred every time and got nothing. It really seems like the jump between me getting 0g and the probably 5-6g I should be getting isn't really explained by further stirring but it's certainly possible.

Can anyone help me? I just threw away a lot of product here and I thought I did everything almost exactly correct. Or at least correct enough to where I should have gotten something. Thank you.


Edited by NightPuma1 (07/11/20 08:41 AM)


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Re: DMT utter failure and I don't know why [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26816866 - 07/11/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I hope you have more bark man

If you only stirred once maybe the naptha didnt collect the dmt

I think i read using too much naptha hurts pulls

Maybe you needed more lye or it needed to break down more

Maybe the bark wasnt broke down or shredded enough?


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Re: DMT utter failure and I don't know why [Re: Enkidu]
    #26816877 - 07/11/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I have more bark

Yes maybe if I did not stir enough, but this is actually my second failure. My first failure I was stirring and shaking wayyyy too much and caused an emulsion. Nobody on this thread made a big deal about stirring very much, and in conjunction with the fact that I shook so much the first time I caused an emulsion I did just a very small amount of st irring this time. I'm not sure where the balance is.

Maybe too much does hurt although that seems a little odd.

200 g of lye should have been more than enough

The bark was powder so that wasn't it.


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Re: DMT utter failure and I don't know why [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26816899 - 07/11/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You could perhaps try putting it all into a heat safe container with an open lid, put it on like a candlewarmer or give it a "hot water bath" so that the naptha is heated/warm when doing the pulls, and like take a butterknife or something to use for stirring it. That's what i did when i would use 99% iso alcohol and washing soda, worked pretty well. I've read that heat helps to increase the yields/pulls, so like either heat the mixture up, or heat up the naptha and then add it to it. I've also read that you can tilt the mixture in the container back and forth or roll it around, but i would think stirring would do just fine, but heat would definitely help imo, although if you use heat, make sure the container is heat safe, and that you don't have a lid on it as to avoid any pressure build up because god forbid if the container breaks, that lye will go everywhere and it'll be a bad day lol.


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Re: DMT utter failure and I don't know why [Re: NightPuma1] * 1
    #26816901 - 07/11/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I followed GordoTEK on YouTube and got some real clean white DMT


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Re: DMT utter failure and I don't know why [Re: Sabnock]
    #26816912 - 07/11/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For the most part it sounds like you did things right, i would just add some heat/warmth to the equation, and perhaps use a little less naptha, like 200mls. As for the lye, i'm not sure of the exact amount as i haven't yet used lye, but so long as the mixture is black, it should be properly freebased.

Alternatively another good way to go about this, is to boil up the root bark and make a concentrated tea from it, then pour the tea into the container, add the base, add the naptha, warm it up, stir, allow to separate, and pull/siphon it off, this way the DMT is already extracted into the liquid and will be easily/quickly based and pulled from, then just proceed to putting the naptha in the freezer and freeze precipitate it out. Not sure if 200mls of naptha would need to be evaporated any, but i would think 200mls of naptha should be just fine, but do try to get a second opinion on that just in case.


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Re: DMT utter failure and I don't know why [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26817991 - 07/11/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Try the q21q21 tek next time. There's visual cues at each stage that you can check to make sure it's going right. Plus a dozen other benefits over STB teks.

Learn what pH, pKa, polar/non-polar, acid/base mean and you'll probably have better luck.

pH is a measurement of acidity from 1-14, 7 being neutral. Water is pH 7.

DMT has a pKa of 8.68 pH. For every + or - 1 pH from the pKa, alkaloids will be 90% converted to a salt or freebase form. At 9.68 pH, DMT will be 90% freebase, 99% at 10.68, 99.9% at 11.68 and so on. 90% salt at 7.68, 99% salt at 6.68 . . .

Lye has a pH of 13. Calcium hydroxide is used in the q21q21 tek and has pH 12.2.
Acids have lower pH's, vinegar is 2.5.

Your goal is to use these pH adjusting compounds to manipulate the DMT into a freebase form above 10.68 pH. This is where the polar/non-polar comes in.

Water is a polar solvent, while naphtha is a non-polar solvent. They repel from each other like magnets, and this is why they stay separated when in solution together.

Freebase molecules easily dissolve in non-polar solvents like naphtha, and will not dissolve in polar solvents like water.

So you start out with bark and mix it with a little water and vinegar. This will lower the pH of the bark and allow the dmt to leech out into the water. Then you add a base like calcium hydroxide, which is better than lye because it's food safe and absorbs water - making calcium hydroxide teks a lot quicker and easier because the water holding the DMT is pulled to the calcium hydroxide and converted to a freebase more quickly, while reducing the volume of water molecules that the DMT could be shaded by. For each molecule of calcium hydroxide that ionizes you get two hydroxyl (OH-1) ions. From a practical standpoint, you get twice as many hydroxyl ions as you would with sodium hydroxide (caustic lye). Hydroxyl ions are the catalyst that break the acid bonds of the DMT salt, leaving you with the freebase.

Calcium Hydroxide: Ca(OH)2 --> Ca+2 + OH-1 + OH-1
Sodium Hydroxide: NaOH --> Na+1 +OH-1

The bark will change colors when you change the pH during the acid and base step, but you can't see it if you drown the extraction in water like STB does. You can also use a pH strip to verify that your bark mush is over 10.68. Then you mix in the naphtha and know that 99.99% of the DMT that is possibly there is ready to be absorbed into the naphtha like a sponge. I extract with hot naphtha and in a hot bath near 130F, this really increases the absorption rates of the naphtha and it will often be cloudy by the time it cools to the temperature of the glass I collect it in. Then you pop it in the freezer and the rest is history.


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Re: DMT utter failure and I don't know why [Re: Icon] * 1
    #26818003 - 07/11/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

not sure but +1 for q21q21q21 tek.  I failed at STB but got good results with q21

good luck


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Re: DMT utter failure and I don't know why [Re: Ps.NoName]
    #26818618 - 07/12/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I thought that you have to acidify it first before mixing in the lye.  When you acidify it, the DMT becomes water soluble and goes into solution.  When you mix the lye, it turn to freebase and can be picked up by the solvent.  You should check out the GordoTek extraction on youtube.    He has a lot of other awesome videos you'd probably enjoy as well.



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