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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26808151 - 07/07/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry one other question:

So I do everything and then add in the Naphtha. Then I wait a day. Then I suck off the layer of Naphtha. Then I add in more Naphtha.

Do I now wait another day?

So for 4 pulls is it 4 days?

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26808678 - 07/07/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No, you don't have to wait this long.
With the first pull yes, with stb the base needs some time to break up the bark cells and release the dmt. But once the bark sits in the lye for a day it should be enough.

For any other pull there is no need to wait a full day. Just add the naphtha, stirr/mix well and then you can suck it out once it is separated again into two layers.
Theoretically you can make all other pulls within an hour or so.

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26808711 - 07/07/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome!

And when you said that I should fan it before I put it into the freezer until it gets cloudy, if I am doing a pretty large 300g MHRB pull with 750 mL Naphtha and I put the final product in a large glass tray, how long do you think I need to fan it before it gets cloudy enough to put it into the freezer?

Should I aim to reduce the volume by a certain percentage? One person wrote to reduce it to 50% of its former volume and another person wrote to reduce it to 33% of its former volume.

Really appreciate it.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26810679 - 07/08/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Or do you not usually do that much as once?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26810815 - 07/08/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

When I extract dmt I use a full kilo of mhrb. 8L of water, 800g lye, and roughly one liter naphtha per pull.

Just evape till it gets cloudy. I can't give you a precice percentage number, as each individual extraction differs from another.

If it gets cloudy when you blow onto the surface, then it's saturated and time to put into the freezer.

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26810821 - 07/08/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Okay that's a pretty good answer thank you, but it does bring up one further question because the other guy was saying that this ratio would be good:

300g MHRB (powdered)
300g Lye
750mL Naphtha
2100mL water

But if you are doing 2,000g MHRB and you are doing one liter of Naphtha then would you say that he is recommending me to do way too much? Considering that for 2,000 grams you do 1 L whereas I'm trying to do 300 g and 750 ml?

I thought it was a rule of thumb you want to do a little over 2x (in mL) as much Naphtha you do grams in MHRB


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26810859 - 07/08/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The ammount of naphtha is almost irrelevant. Just use enough to form a fat layer that you can easily suck out without getting any of the basic solution.

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26810863 - 07/08/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for all the info Pande

You inspired me to get this extraction going now


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26811095 - 07/08/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hell yeah man you're awesome! You and the other guy.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26812454 - 07/09/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey I was thinking about something last night - wouldn't it make sense to use less and less Naphtha for each subsequent pull as there is less and less DMT to saturate the Naphtha?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1] * 1
    #26814386 - 07/10/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

25ml of warm naptha can hold more than two grams of DMT.

I generally do 200g extractions with 4 x 80ml solvent pulls on a 1.8L solution. It's maybe overkill, I should probably just use 50ml.

What has to be considered is the size of the solution though. To get enough solvent to touch every part of the basic solution is the objective. How much DMT that solvent is absorbed is based upon availability, not on the amount of solvent. It's a bit of a balancing act.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26814401 - 07/10/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I need to invest in a pipette then i think

Using a turkey baster i need a decent amount of solvent not to disturb the base


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26816301 - 07/11/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

UPDATE: Pretty sure I have failed.

Blended 300g MHRB into powder. Took 2100mL of water, 200g of lye and mixed it all together. Added in 500mL Naphtha (realized this was far too much Naphtha).

Part I think I failed on:

Since I added so much Naphtha, when I went to "fan it until it got cloudy" before I froze it,  it took hours and hours of fanning yet it never got cloudy. By the time I noticed, I had accidentally evaporated off like 80% of the Naphtha. I put the remaining 20% in the freezer and although it hasn't been that long I can tell there isn't going to be very much. I guess I evaporated the crystals off.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26816307 - 07/11/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The DMT will not evaporate, you just haven't pulled it yet. It's still in the soup.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26816314 - 07/11/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

How wouldn't I have pulled it? I put 200g of lye into water with 300g of MHRB and let it sit for a full day with a bunch of Naphtha. What did I miss?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26816316 - 07/11/20 12:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Did you stir or agitate the solution so the solvent touched every part of it? Or did you just pour it on and let it sit?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26816342 - 07/11/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I mean I stirred it pretty good. Last time I made an emulsion I was shaking so much.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26816346 - 07/11/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Are you saying I'm better off shaking like crazy and getting an emulsion and dealing with it?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26816359 - 07/11/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Don't shake it, but you need to stir for several minutes plenty of times so each part of the basic solution touches the solvent. I usually spend about 30-40 minutes agitating and letting rest the solvent.

Many people purchase magnetic stir plates to avoid this task. Just set it on 20 minute stir, job done.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26816743 - 07/11/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know if this really explains why I got nothing.


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