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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26815823 - 07/10/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Police are scum anyway. Drain the swamp and get humans to replace them.




Are you saying police officers aren't human?

And that absurd statement aside, they tried that in CHAZ. It didn't go so well...

EDIT: Ironically, your statement is super pro 2nd amendment, pro open carry, pro libertarian.



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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26815836 - 07/10/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26815858 - 07/10/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Police have no legal obligation to protect citizens.

And why the hell would they? If police get involved in violent crimes, they might become victims as well. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six, gotta survive the shift, all that.

If I was a cop, I wouldn't stop a dude from stabbing someone else. I'd just empty all my magazines in their general direction until everything went away and I could go on paid leave.




Cops won't get fired if they don't jump in front of someone to take a bullet for them?

No shit.




Bodyguards do, soldiers do, everybody who's job is to "protect and serve" does...except police.

Why should my tax money go to funding some asshole who won't even protect me? I'd rather defund the police and hire private security. Which, technically, I do. My neighborhood has private security, as does my workplace.

Police are a waste of resources. Fuck the police.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26815859 - 07/10/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

From the first paragraph:

"A once-crime-riddled New Jersey city disbanded its police department and formed a new one in 2013 — and this is what happened."


One of the last lines: "He added that a police presence is here to stay in Camden — because there is still crime."


Reform is fine if you do it right.

Those last 3 words being the key. The energy swirling around most major cities right now... it's not going to go down like this.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26815864 - 07/10/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd rather defund the police and hire private security.




Your rich "privilege" is showing.

Economics don't allow for everyone to have expensive "bodyguards"

Again, this is basic math. What you pay for police departments is pennies on the dollar compared to what a bodyguard costs.

If you want better security, yup... you got to pay more money.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26815875 - 07/10/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Step one is getting rid of the fuckers. Step two is hiring normal people, not fuckers.

Let's start with step one. ACAB, and it's time to throw the entire barrel of apples into the trash. And make them ineligible to be rehired as cops. They want a job? They can join a private security company, where they either jump in front of a bullet or lose their job.

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I'd rather defund the police and hire private security.




Your rich "privilege" is showing.

Economics don't allow for everyone to have expensive "bodyguards"

Again, this is basic math. What you pay for police departments is pennies on the dollar compared to what a bodyguard costs.

If you want better security, yup... you got to pay more money.




No shit my middle class privilege is showing. And yes, middle class. I'm only in the top 15% of Americans, which puts me square in middle class when it comes to quality of life. Keep in mind that the bottom half of Americans have literally negative money.

Point is, police are a waste of money, because they don't do shit. Pennies on the dollar, sure, but that assumes, well, there's some benefit to those pennies. As far as I can tell, police are, quite literally, negative benefit. Americans pay them to cause problems for Americans. It's like buying a bullet for the express purpose of shooting yourself in the foot with it, but more expensive.

And, as far as percentage of income, I spend less on security than the percentage of my taxes that go towards local police. I live in one of those places where the cop cars scream "Please send your children to school with a box of pencils, because the city can't afford to buy pencils".

Edit: I guess at least last time I got pulled over, the cop was saying "yes sir" and "no sir" to me, and I didn't get a ticket.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26815882 - 07/10/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Police are scum anyway. Drain the swamp and get humans to replace them.




Are you saying police officers aren't human?

And that absurd statement aside, they tried that in CHAZ. It didn't go so well...

EDIT: Ironically, your statement is super pro 2nd amendment, pro open carry, pro libertarian.





How is that ironic? When have i not been pro 2nd amendment?


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26815887 - 07/10/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'd say its ironic because a strong 2nd amendment and carry culture is the best argument *for* police I can think of, but I don;t think that's what they're going for.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26815888 - 07/10/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone should be allowed to carry except on duty cops.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26815892 - 07/10/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think most people realize just how dangerous the world becomes without law enforcement.

I've seen police brutality and I'm not anti-police reform and I DEFINITELY want the drug war to end. (Obviously I'm posting here.) But the rest of it? We need it so much more than people realize.

Drug lords and warlords just wind up ruling any area where law enforcement withdraws.

Negotiation and cooperation doesn't rule the day when you take away law enforcement. Raw power does.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26815898 - 07/10/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The left aren't Democrats anymore. They're something new and they're evil.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26815899 - 07/10/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Why would drug lords want to harm their customers?

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Everyone should be allowed to carry except on duty cops.




literally the only time I've ever been thankful for a police presence in my life was the time some asshole 2nd amendment pro carry idiot decided to shoot up the school at which I had taken a teaching job for some extra cash, since the company I was working for at the time was renting lab space from the same school.

T'was a fun time, couple people got killed. None of my students, though, so I guess all's well that ends well.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26815904 - 07/10/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Why would drug lords want to harm their customers?




Not everyone is a customer. And even then, some are disposable.

I am truly sorry you had to experience a shooting.

I find it ironic, but I am actually glad that the left has changed their position on 2nd amendment as fast as they have. Prior to recently they were saying on one hand "fuck the police" and on the other they were saying "only the government should have guns." At least they threw that one out the window.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26815908 - 07/10/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Lol, you think I'm "the left?"


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26815916 - 07/10/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You have more leftist views than I have, but I'm not pinning you, nor was my comment about the 2nd amendment directed at you. It's a general observation.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26815924 - 07/10/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have more leftist, rightist, and centrist views than you.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26815930 - 07/10/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well that's not exactly a productive statement, that's just you whipping out your dick. Not sure why, either.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26815936 - 07/10/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You chose to label my views, as if you have the first clue what they are.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26815948 - 07/10/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's an observation relative to other people I know who hold the same positions. Again, I'm not pigeon holing you.

If anyone has been accused *numerous* of times of having positions or ideas I have not espoused, it's been me.

And you still whipped out your dick for no good reason.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26815958 - 07/10/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My dick couldn't whip on my best day. At best, it could pop out.


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