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What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits 1
#26815775 - 07/10/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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UPDATE: What am I doing wrong? I mist 2x (per 24hr cycle) and have the lid cracked, maybe it's getting too dry? The small pins I think are aborting and the bigger pins are having premature veil drop/ bell caps coming off the stems way too eary/ super small "fruits" What should I do? Maybe pic everything/ soak it overnight, try for a second better flush? also it's turning more and more yellow by the day! EEEEEEEEEEE! First time grow, I'm screwing something up, I just don't know what! PIC: (I picked the big one on the left today, weighs 20g wet)

UPDATE 2: They grew yay!

-----------detailed info/old pics------------- Hi guys! Long time lurker, first time posting/just made account. This is my First grow. daytime pics:
 
night pics (can really see the yellow):

I am a newb.
SKIP TO BOTTOM FOR TL;DR
BACKGROUND: Using an all-in-one grow bag (coir and grain), put whole syringe in it.. Month+ later, I got pins, plenty of FAE and misting... Maybe over misting (at least 4-6 x per day)? I have one bigger (the first to grow) pin/fruit which is about 1.5-2 inches today All the other babies are 1cm or less. I saw more hyphal knots on the top and bottom, sides just a solid white/off white.
I MAY HAVE FUCKED THIS UP: Rolled on its side (to get the top and bottom knots to pin, which they have, so happy for that). Injected whole syringe to inoculate. Misting like crazy. Aimed a fan at it and left for an hour, came back, misted more (I read evaporation makes it pin.. So I started trying to get it wet, dry it out, wet, dry, wet dry -muy rapido... Since I got pins I have stopped that. I now mist 2x a day. OK, BIG MISTAKE HERE (don't laugh), When I first put the block into the FC, no pics yet, it started to go crazy, not sure if it was myc or cobweb mold, but I thought it was cobweb mold from reading on my phone real quick (it looked fuzzy on the sides), growth was crazy fast too, so I thought COBWEB, so I sprayed it with h2o2 (peroxcide 3%) straight outta the bottle, sprayed the whole brick down and prayed that didn't fuck it up... Week later today, I got pins, and they seem to be growing at a healthy rate (of course being my first grow, nothing to base this on besides comparing mine to some pics on here).
I thought I was using a clean bottle to mist this whole time... But, as I was refilling it, I noticed stuff floating in my mister bottle! It's fabric softener I used on jeans a while back. I rinsed the bottle thoroughly, but it still has some residue in it... So I got a new mist bottle. OOPS! well I think that is what turned my substrate slightly off white, yellow. That or the peroxide. I hope that's all that's wrong. I haven't noticed it affecting the growth. Today the pins are visibly growing. I was wondering why I was getting yellowish substrate. Please do not be contam. I want to get more than one flush! Maybe because I waaay over inoculated it, used a whole syringe, figured it couldn't hurt.
This isn't contamination is it? Why is it yellowish? I know dry sub turns yellow, but maybe too wet, then dry, then wet, then dry, did it? Over misting? Should I stop misting the brick and just mist the walls? My new mister caused the big shroom to bruise a little -blue speckles on stem, but I think I should keep misting 2x 24hrs (once when i wake and again at bed.
All in all this has been a fun science project and I def want to do it again soon. These are Ecuadorian strain, also have Puerto Rican for next batch
TL;DR I think I have been over-misting/ humidity is too high. Wondering about the yellow tint. I left the lid (no holes in crate) slightly cracked and oscillating fan in room. Temp is steady 73-78 (75 avg). Last pic is a day later, bottom left, bigger shroom is about ready, veil is coming off on the underside, hard to see in pic. Will probably pic it in a day or two, it was the first pin, came a few days before the others. Should I stop misting? Maybe it's fighting off bacteria so a little yellow?
Anyone with advice or comments -thanks in advance! Zen
Edited by ZenZombie (07/13/20 10:25 PM)
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Re: Noob first grow, QUESTION! misted fabric softener,yellow-ish w pins, ECUADOR strain [Re: ZenZombie] 1
#26816180 - 07/10/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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can't wait to play some VR on these bad boys. Anyone play Oculus Quest?
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Re: Noob first grow, some mistakes... should I stop misting? [Re: ZenZombie] 1
#26817707 - 07/11/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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today's pic:

Edited by ZenZombie (07/12/20 03:08 PM)
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie]
#26819684 - 07/12/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bump, plz help me save this grow
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie]
#26819770 - 07/12/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't mess with a fan. It's too easy to over dry everything.
It's hard to see your setup, but it doesn't look like a standard SGFC.
What I'd do is bottom water the whole thing, mist lightly, and leave the lid ajar.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: Trichodingus] 1
#26819837 - 07/12/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's no holes in my crate. I just crack the lid to let it breathe. FAE, humidity, temp -I think are all right...
My crate is prepared like this video:
skip to the 3:30 mark (Just perlite on bottom with water poured on it and aluminum foil)
I do not close my lid all the way like in that video. Pretty sure I screwed up the juggling of correct FAE, humidity/misting, and possibly contaminated by opening it up a lot and possibly my breath.
Golly mushies are fickle little bastards, think I can get a second flush?
Should I pick the little guys off the brick and soak it overnight??
thanks, zeni
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie]
#26819869 - 07/12/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never used the method shown in the video, but it seems to be aimed at simplicity rather than top notch results. Once colonized and in the FC they should be very resistant to contam even if you sneeze on the cake.
Also, I just reread your original post and didn't realize you'd sprayed it with peroxide and fabric softener

It's probably a little bacterial, but most MS syringes are.
I'd drop it in a shallow dish with a cm of water and remove the foil. It seems kind of counter productive to cover the perlite with foil because anything that evaporates off of the perlite will probably just condense under the foil. Meaning the RH on the cake surface is going to be unaffected by the perlite.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: Trichodingus]
#26819969 - 07/12/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those cakes look dry, bacterial, and probably need more air.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ManifoldPrime]
#26819989 - 07/12/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did I see you sprayed it with fabric softener?
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie]
#26820027 - 07/12/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Definitely too dry in there. Increase misting. Add wet perlite to the bottom. Extra is better.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie]
#26820162 - 07/12/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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1. you need natural evaporation over time not a fan never a fan it drys the cake more faster instead of evaporation.
2. h2o2 (peroxcide 3%) or bleach at 3% gives small fruits. if you thought it was cobweb better get a second opinion before taking a step. some mycelium are thick some are fuzzy some are even rope looking.
3.fabric softener thats new. i mean read a lot of things but this was new to me.
4.why they are turning yellow a quote from pastywhyte "Those are drying the hell out" also can be bacteria too.
5. if you have perlite use that in fruiting chamber and mist gently fan it 3 to 4 times a day.cut the foil smaller and about the size of the cake. perlite is perfect to keep fruiting chamber moist all the time. all the droplets that fell on perlite will provide moisture.
6. turn off the fan and make a proper shot gun fruiting chamber. it will help you in all other grows till you move to mono tubs.
7. once harvested dunk it again for 24 hours and put in SGFC with perlite and mist it 3 to 4 times a day.
before starting a new grow search on project go for any tek pf is the most simple and easy to do https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
also thanx for the post and adding to research fabric softener.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: pesa]
#26820214 - 07/12/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haha, first grow... thanks for the replies!
yea I thought the spray bottle was clean, I rinsed it about 10x but that fabric softener was still caked on the walls inside,,, it smells good though... I doubt a little hurt the cake... was almost all water with a little fabric softener residue in the bottle
Probably the H2o2 shower/bath I gave it before it pinned hurt it the most, probably why its yellowing/ idk.
i'll try harder not to fuck up next grow 
yea going to drill some holes and make a SGFC for my second grow 
thanks guys! kind regards
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie]
#26820448 - 07/13/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Note, you dont *have* to make a SGFC. You can do humidity chambers as well: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25339094/page/1
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ManifoldPrime]
#26820992 - 07/13/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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@Manifold Thanks, that's what I'll do if I can get this brick to flush more (soaking now)

Harvested today, not bad for a first grow, I picked off the little pins/aborts (last picture 3g wet) and going to get 10-15g dry I think, the biggest shroom yesterday ended up going from 20g wet to 3g dry.
Overall I'm really happy with this first grow. I had tried years ago and never got myc growth/bag to colonize. This was pretty easy too/ wish I knew more when I moved the brick out of the bag to FC.
Now I have one more question: I am leaving it by door with windows (my behind the garage man cave). It gets some sun light shining on the tote (direct sunlight) a little bit in the morning (maybe 8-11am) then the trees outside give shade and it gets indirect/shady sunlight... Does that sound okay? Should I move it back from the window so it never get DIRECT sunlight?
Thank you all  This was a lot of fun, might have a new hobby depending on how much I like the fruits of my labor. I got sick of acid. I haven't done these bad boys in years (except for 1g a dood gave me at Freaky Deaky Festival last October, and I liked that! not too strong a dose, couldn't stop smiling, the setting was the best. He said he grew em and that put the idea on my mind)
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie]
#26821055 - 07/13/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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1. after so many things congrats on first flush.
2. dunk it for few hours and place it again in nice improve looking fruiting chamber.
3. direct sunlight. you will run in to problem of drying all over again.
4. fruiting temperature 22c to 27c thats what you should look for. room light is okay small led lamp works as long is its not hitting directly on the cake. but direct sunlight you will never know when it fry the mycelium or cause some bacteria to grow that need heat and sunlight.
5. when you mist you are providing extra moisture and when you fan you are exchanging air. keep up with that for now later before grow make better fruiting chamber.
also take a spore print its fun to do too.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: pesa]
#26822208 - 07/14/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Congrats, you've got yourself a handful of mush! Do you have a dehydrator yet? otherwise, make tea out of that handful. I'm not gonna lie, I would not eat those if they got some fabric softener on them. If you're in the northern hemisphere then summer sun is probably too strong right now for direct sunlight on your cakes. but feel free to keep them in indirect sun so you get free light anyway.
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ManifoldPrime]
#26828059 - 07/17/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dried them out in dehydrator, came to like 13-14g total.. Not great, but I'm glad I got anything. Only a tiny bit of fabric softener residue got misted. They smell fine, have yet to eat any.
Second flush unlikely, the brick is REALLY yellow, fuzz maybe green mold? probably contam all over it.
----First grow over----
Anyways, this was the trial run, I need to work on my misting, RH and FAE control. This was a 2.5 lb grow bag. I have 2 x 5 lb grow bags and I just inoculated. I plan to make a SGFC for one bag and harvest it like a giant cake. And dump one bag into a tub after I mix (grain and coir) for a Bod's Unmodified Monotub TEK.
I'll see which gets better results. And I may one day look into spore prints and making my own spore syringes... But I need to dial in my misting/FAE first. Good vendors (like sponsor Sporeworks) are always there for syringes when needed, and then I'd get different strains I suppose. But I think the next grow (after the 2 x 5 lb-ers) I will prepare my own grain/oats and substrate/coir to mix in a monotub, as it loks like the monotubs produce mushrooms in bulk far superior to any other method (pf tek cakes + SGFC), correct me if I'm wrong.
Thank you guys for bearing with me and all the advice and replies. Happy growing and many blessing to you and your crops!
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie] 1
#26828069 - 07/17/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I grew around 6-8kg fresh cubes from just 1/2pint BRF cakes lately, you wouldn't think much of these tiny substrates but the the fruits add up pretty fast. The dehydrator has been off the last week and up to that point it hasn't been turned off for over a month maybe two.. You'll get results with every method once you get the hang of the basics and in the meantime just start more projects learn how to fail some grows and that's basically the recipe for acquiring a pound of dried cubes lol just do it like you really mean it
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: Mateja]
#26830985 - 07/18/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sweet!
I saw like 9 lil shrooms growing off the block today, guess I am getting a second flush
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Re: What am I doing wrong? got one good shroom, the other pins veils are dropping early/ super small fruits [Re: ZenZombie]
#26831564 - 07/18/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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nice keep going get as much as you can out of it.
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