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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26829103 - 07/17/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Trump supporters come in many varieties.

You have the classic MAGA wearing hat Trump supporters that can be broken down into at *least* two categories. people like this, and people like this. (There are likely more.)

The former is crazy in the same way the far left is crazy. The latter is incredibly educated, intellectual, and often black. Both of these groups vote.

Then you have the the disgruntled Trump supporters who are going to vote for him to spite Biden just because they hate Biden.

Also also have the nihilistic Trump supporters who enjoy watching the chaos.

You have the anti-deep state Trump supporters who just want to watch Hollywood, the media and the politicians squirm. (This is me, primarily, with other secondary reasons.)

Let's also not forget the Trump supporters who go along with it because all their family and friends are doing it and they just want to fit in and haven't educated themselves enough to have their own opinion.

There's also a lot of Trump supporters who just won't bring themselves to vote for whatever reason.


Now, to recap what Enlil said:

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Being a Trump supporter means, at the very least:

1. One values honesty very little.
2. One doesn't value global perception of the U.S.
3. A propensity for personality-worship over merit-based judgment.
4. A tolerance for racism, sexism, misogyny, bullying, and pettiness.




And now for the third time I'm going to say, this take is reprehensible bullshit. Even inside every single one of these groups you have individuals of all colors and flavors that have their own personal take and many vary from one another.

Something I heard from a friend that is quite astute right now: We see our opposition as misguided, but they seem to see us as evil.




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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829108 - 07/17/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Trump is Hollywood and the media, dude....

You can judge me all day and all night.  Whatever you may think of me, I've been called far worse.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829110 - 07/17/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think you're misguided, not evil. Of course, your current mood under your profile pic literally says otherwise. :lol:


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829111 - 07/17/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Trump is Hollywood and the media, dude....

You can judge me all day and all night.  Whatever you may think of me, I've been called far worse.




Show me where in Hollywood Trump is being supported.

As for the media. Just so my words don't get jumped on, I'm of course talking about the mainstream media minus Fox News.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829115 - 07/17/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It wasn't a red herring argument.  He was literally speaking of my literal fish and the literal color of said fish.  Are you unable to follow this conversation?



Let's look at the conversation:

Vahn421 said:  This is all still a red herring...  you're being incredibly intellectually dishonest. I broke everything down for you in more than one way and I'm not interested in discussing this further. You're trying to paint me out to be something I'm not and it's rather pissing me off. I've been CRYSTAL clear in what I think and how I think it. If you missed it, go back and read it all again.
Enlil said:  I accept your surrender.
Vahn421 said:  You really ought to change the color of your fish from purple to red. It would suit you much better.
Enlil said:  Ah....there's another trait of the trump supporter.  I don't judge a fish by the color of his scales, however.

It seems to me the color comment WAS related to the red herring.  :shrug:


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26829130 - 07/17/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

He's talking about the fish in my avatar, dude.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26829144 - 07/17/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It seems to me the color comment WAS related to the red herring.




Falcon is correct. It was a Red Herring joke. A red fish as an avatar would suit you much better if we were to take just the last hour of debate into consideration. (I hate explaining jokes...)

Regardless, you made a good point about many people being nihilistic and just not caring or not voting at all, and I amended my numbers to account for that because I'm also trying to paint an accurate picture. I've no intention of misleading anyone or misrepresenting my position.

It was all a red herring, however, because the point I was trying to make is that you have MILLIONS of Trump supporters in this nation that have a myriad of different reasons they support him, whether or not they wind up voting.

I'm not interested in discussing the nuances of those numbers. (Despite the fact that I already did.) I'm interested in asserting that you can't judge all Trump supporters in the same manner without your BEHAVIOR mirroring anti-gay Christians 40 years ago.

I think I've made a plenty strong case for that, now.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829171 - 07/17/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think so.  75% of Americans are stupid AF.  That's 100's of millions of people.  Yes, I can judge them stupid.  The amount of people in a group doesn't really change the analysis.  There are literally billions of people on the planet that believe in some mystical sky faerie or another.  All of those people are irrational and delusional.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829195 - 07/17/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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75% of Americans are stupid AF.




I think that number is too low, actually...

But being dumb doesn't make one immoral. In fact if anything it validates you SHOULDN'T be judging them any more than you can judge a dog.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829210 - 07/17/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Should....shouldn't...now you're getting into your personal beliefs.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829223 - 07/17/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Being a Trump supporter means, at the very least:

1. One values honesty very little.
2. One doesn't value global perception of the U.S.
3. A propensity for personality-worship over merit-based judgment.
4. A tolerance for racism, sexism, misogyny, bullying, and pettiness.
5. You're stupid!




Just updating your list for you.

It's still all bullshit though.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829228 - 07/17/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Not all Trump supporters are stupid.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829232 - 07/17/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, so they're willfully malicious in their support for Trump?

Honestly, I lean more toward many of them being stupid far more than the other 4 on your list. :lol:


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829242 - 07/17/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Why would you call them willfully malicious?  Some are, probably.  Not all.  All of them have the four traits I listed.  Anything that isn't found in 100% of the group shouldn't be included on the list.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829261 - 07/17/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Why would you call them willfully malicious?  Some are, probably.  Not all.  All of them have the four traits I listed.  Anything that isn't found in 100% of the group shouldn't be included on the list.





Okay, here's the new list then:


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829268 - 07/17/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Says you.  I have searched far and wide, and I have not found a single trump supporter that did not have all four of the traits I listed.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829285 - 07/17/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I place honesty on a pedestal above every other human virtue in my entire existence.

So without going any further, you now you have to take back those words, despite the fact that I think you're lying in the first place.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829290 - 07/17/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, you don't.  You delight in lies insofar as they support your worldview.  In fact, you are among the most dishonest people in this forum, IMO.

Now, be careful here...YOU are the one who put yourself in the critique seat.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
    #26829295 - 07/17/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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No, you don't.  You delight in lies insofar as they support your worldview.  In fact, you are among the most dishonest people in this forum, IMO.




Absolutely fascinating.

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Now, be careful here...YOU are the one who put yourself in the critique seat.




I don't care what people here think of me.


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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829301 - 07/17/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

But you do complain about what people say about you.


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