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OfflineReynardTheFox
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Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) * 1
    #26813278 - 07/09/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chiefs-police-decriminalize-posession-personal-use-1.5643687

Chiefs say their efforts should be directed at cracking down on drug trafficking, drug production.

As Canada continues to battle an opioid epidemic, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police is calling on federal lawmakers to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of illegal drugs for personal consumption.

CACP's president, Chief Constable Adam Palmer, said it's time to rethink how police and governments approach the use and abuse of illegal drugs in order to save lives.

"Arresting individuals for simple possession of illicit drugs has proven to be ineffective. It does not save lives," Palmer said. "The CACP recognizes substance use and addiction as a public health issue. Being addicted to a controlled substance is not a crime and should not be treated as such.

"We recommend that Canada's enforcement-based approach for possession be replaced with a health care approach that diverts people from the criminal justice system."

CACP is a non-profit that represents about 1,300 police chiefs from federal, First Nations, provincial, regional, transportation and military police services across the country.

Palmer said that, as an alternative to the criminal model, partnerships could be formed between social services, police, the health care sector and governments to make sure drug users get access to the treatment they need.

Palmer said the focus of police efforts should be on cracking down on drug trafficking and the illegal production and importation of drugs — a task the police are better suited to address.

Palmer said such a shift in policing would require changes at the federal level to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

In 2018, the CACP tasked a committee with exploring the impacts on public safety and policing of moving toward decriminalization.

That report, delivered this month, concluded that substance abuse is a public health issue and that taking a public health approach to the problem would lead to lower rates of crime, overdoses and blood-borne diseases.

Palmer was asked about the #defundthepolice movement on social media and whether police forces in Canada are willing to see police funding diverted toward social services or health care.

He said that in Vancouver, where he serves as chief constable of the Vancouver Police Department, police are already looking the other way on cases of simple possession in order to focus resources on trafficking and production — so there may not be much money to divert.

Palmer did say he was willing to discuss the notion of redirecting police funding to other initiatives if all affected parties are consulted.


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: ReynardTheFox]
    #26813500 - 07/09/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good news from the north. Let those abusive laws fall.


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26813787 - 07/09/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think LEO would have a much easier time protecting and serving, when they aren't forced to investigate and prosecute a plurality of the population for what should amount to non-criminal acts.


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26814485 - 07/10/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Canada is going in the right direction

Wish I could say the same about the us

Hopefully this policy spills over


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: Fractal420]
    #26814711 - 07/10/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Not enough. This is good because most simple possession cases are people who are young/black/native, and me as a forty something white dude has almost zero chance of getting caught. I do drugs at home, an 18 year old who lives with his parents doesn't have that option, I'm safe and he's not that's not fair. Also none of my friends ever get busted for drugs either, so if its not me, and not my friends, some other poor fucks are getting caught. And statically some groups are way over represented in the people busted for possession   


"Chiefs say their efforts should be directed at cracking down on drug trafficking, drug production."

So no end to the drug war. That's pathetic. If I open Sam's opium den on the corner to help the opiod epidemic I get busted that day. The police create a situation where people who want to help are shut out, but greedy scumbags who sell tainted shit fill the void.

Safe supply is key to any drug strategy. I don't want police going after mushroom growers or Ketamine dealers, or acid dealers. My city they ignore the street level hard drug trade, under the harm reduction banner, so who are they going to bust? The only drugs left are the good ones. Trust me they aren't just going after meth and crack dealers. They won't concentrate on hard drugs


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: viraldrome]
    #26814762 - 07/10/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It’s never gonna be “enough” because tbh drug laws are discriminatory, designed that way and SO hard to fight or tell people that it’s wrong to just arrest anyone who does drugs, but the public does not support that idea. It’s like being a minority, I mean drug users are clearly a group that does not have it Easy.

I mean these laws haven’t been even close to fair for literally 100 years now

Prohibition of alcohol only lasted 10ish years and that’s because Everyone was involved in drinking. They overturned a damn Amendment after realizing it was wrong

The same types of criminals are also getting rich off the drug trade, arrests or not. Usually arrests OBV just net low level users


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: viraldrome]
    #26815427 - 07/10/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is coming from the side of law enforcement, not activists, so what do you expect? Of course they aren't going to support ending the drug war, it would put 75% of LEO out of a job.


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26816783 - 07/11/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

there’d still be plenty of work. There’s work for firemen right? And they don’t need drugs except for personal use (they don’t take Yours)

The thing is, the work would be real police work with real criminals and not just these thc hustlers that pose no risk


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: Fractal420]
    #26817288 - 07/11/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The war on drugs is an attack on human rights. Just like racism and sexism are attacks on the human rights of minorities and females. The war on drugs is the last legal organised attack perpetrated on a minority group. We can choose what god to worship but not what drug to use even when the illegal drugs are a lot less harmful then the legal ones. The drug war is the last vantage for the arrogant fascist narc who wants to control everyone using force.

North America became a police state when the drug war started and will remain one until all drugs are legalized!


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: Fractal420]
    #26818081 - 07/11/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Fractal420 said:
there’d still be plenty of work. There’s work for firemen right? And they don’t need drugs except for personal use (they don’t take Yours)

The thing is, the work would be real police work with real criminals and not just these thc hustlers that pose no risk




The difference in what is budgeted for firefighters vs police makes them hard to compare...and firemen salary probably constitutes a fraction of the money budgeted for "fire and rescue".

Without the drug war it would become impossible to justify police budgets, that money would be far better spent elsewhere.

You just couldn't re-allocate those resources to other policing efforts or criminal investigations, LEO would be tripping all over themselves, police would be standing around do nothing, and it would be a logistical nightmare.

I mean, if you even tried to the outcome could be worse than the drug war...the surveillance state would grow even more out of control, because that is where those resources would end up. Local and state police agencies would grow worse than the feds, they'd be watching our every move, both on the ground and online.

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/what-los-angeles-minneapolis-dallas-police-spend.html



https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/04/us-spends-twice-much-law-order-it-does-social-welfare-data-show/

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Police spending in largest US cities
New Orleans, Louisiana

• Population, 2018: 391,006

• Police dept. funding as % of total budget, fiscal year 2020: 17.1% (22nd largest out of 50 largest cities)[The percentage generally grows larger the smaller the city gets]




https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/06/26/how-much-money-goes-to-police-departments-in-americas-largest-cities/112004904/



We clearly shouldn't be spending this much on LEO, no matter what "work" they are doing.


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Re: Police chiefs call on federal government to decriminalize possession of illicit drugs for personal use (Canada) [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26818614 - 07/12/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And LA actually is fully rec legal. Imagine illegal areas

And in Cali there’s prop this and that where voters actually decide what happens. In other states most that haven’t gotten rec legal, there is no such independence given to the people. Lawmakers decide everything

And for example in NY even with polls showing like 70% approval they fail year after year, just empty promises. And people are getting Outraged.

At least now you can get the same products as any legal state and in bulk, and the bud is just as fire as when I visit Cali

The dispensaries started actually fucking selling flower, but instead of strain selection it’s just indica, hybrid, Sativa, and meant for vaping. Still it’s a step forward and I think they did this without true approval for flower. Just started selling 8ths of ground up volcano herb. It’s pretty strong tbh


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