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Vahn421
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26826052 - 07/15/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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"“There are also some additional deaths that happen in someone who happened to be COVID positive, but where the COVID infection had nothing to do with the deaths,” she said. “So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status.
“We are trying to make sure that things that aren’t related at all to the COVID diagnosis are removed, but if someone has another illness, like heart disease, and then had a stroke or other event, it’s not as easy to separate that and say COVID didn’t exacerbate that existing illness. That would not be removed from the count,” she added."
Translation: We'll only lie about the less obvious deaths or the ambiguous ones.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Vahn421]
#26826056 - 07/15/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So how does that in any way support the argument that auto accidents are classified as covid?
And why would you presume to translate her perfectly fine English into something she didn't say?
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26826065 - 07/15/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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To answer the first, I personally didn't say people count auto accidents as covid. I suspect in some places they DO if they have covid based on the trends I'm observing.
To answer the second: Call me cynical. Florida was just caught in the biggest Covid scam we've ever seen.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Vahn421]
#26826079 - 07/15/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If covid contributed to the cause of death then yes it’s a covid death. Covid patients who fall down an elevator shaft are not covid deaths. Where do people get this shit from?
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Vahn421]
#26826080 - 07/15/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: To answer the first, I personally didn't say people count auto accidents as covid. I suspect in some places they DO if they have covid based on the trends I'm observing.
To answer the second: Call me cynical. Florida was just caught in the biggest Covid scam we've ever seen.

Call me cynical, but I bet that doesn’t mean what you think it means.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: koods]
#26826081 - 07/15/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: If covid can not be unproven to have contributed to the cause of death then yes it’s a covid death. Covid patients who fall down an elevator shaft are not covid deaths. Where do people get this shit from?
Fixed it for you.
Edit: I'm not going to go off on a battle of the definition of cynicism with you. Stick to the topic, please. Really tired of these red herrings.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Vahn421]
#26826082 - 07/15/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: To answer the first, I personally didn't say people count auto accidents as covid.
No, Hartford did. I said it wasn't true. You quoted me saying that and said to read your posts. I think it's a fair interpretation of that sequence of events to say that you tried to defend his claim.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26826084 - 07/15/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doctors aren’t falsifying death certificates.
You people are completely detached from reality. Use some fucking common sense.
In reality, there are a lot of people who die from covid who will never be counted because they never saw a doctor and they died outside a healthcare setting.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: searching]
#26826091 - 07/15/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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wearing thpse face tampons does nothing but tell others your a dumbass for believing the chinese flu lie. Juat a flu.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26826093 - 07/15/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it's a fair interpretation of that sequence of events to say that you tried to defend his claim.
That's not quite right, no. I wouldn't be surprised if it was true, but I've never defended that particular position specifically. Only that we're being lied to about the numbers and there's some definite proof of that.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Vahn421]
#26826115 - 07/15/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What was the cause of the excess 150,000 -200,000 deaths seen in the US since March? If not covid, you need to explain what is causing this massive increase in mortality over baseline.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: koods]
#26826126 - 07/15/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If that's true, I'd love to look into it. Can you give me a source for that claim?
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26827962 - 07/16/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh the data from CNN right?
Covid has a higher than 99% chance of survival. Every election year where there's a potential for a new President, there's a "pandemic". See bird flu.
Get back to worl everyone, nothing to see here but media fear mongering. oh and my family HAD COVID. I live in Elmhurst, NY. Ground zero for this in the USA. It was a rough 4 weeks but we all did fine and WORKED through it. Wash hands, cover mouth when sneezing and dont be gross. Youll be fine. Vitamin c pills helped a lot.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26828843 - 07/17/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You presume people are lying about it. That woman very clearly said that they exclude deaths caused by auto accidents:
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/dr-ngozi-ezike-refutes-notion-that-illinois-is-over-counting-covid-19-deaths/2270810/?amp
Well, well, well...
Looks like no one has to, "presume" any longer!
Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers.
LOL this doctor's justification at the end is gold. He basically inadvertently admits they're fuckin' around with the numbers.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: meltdowner]
#26828877 - 07/17/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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. Wash hands, cover mouth when sneezing and dont be gross. Youll be fine. Vitamin c pills helped a lot.
Are you saying that to the next 100k people who are going to die by the end of the year ? Or are you just pretending no one else is going to die?
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Psilynut2]
#26831598 - 07/18/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The hospital claims my Aunt recently died from covid, but she was having health problems before the mention of covid.
I remember reading hospitals get paid more if they claim the health problem being caused by covid 5k to 40k. That's very suspicious.
I dont support wearing masks no one tells me what to do with my body, if people dont like it they can stay away from me. I haven't wore a mask once since this bullshit started.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Luminous]
#26831804 - 07/19/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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There were 122,000 excess deaths in the US from March 1 to May 30th. The number of deaths for such a large population is extremely predictable, and almost any deviation from expected numbers is significant. If you don’t believe these 122,000 people died of covid, you neeed explain what they died from. This analysis suggests covid deaths are underreported by ~30%
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980
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There were approximately 781 000 total deaths in the United States from March 1 to May 30, 2020, representing 122 300 (95% prediction interval, 116 800-127 000) more deaths than would typically be expected at that time of year. There were 95 235 reported deaths officially attributed to COVID-19 from March 1 to May 30, 2020. The number of excess all-cause deaths was 28% higher than the official tally of COVID-19–reported deaths during that period. In several states, these deaths occurred before increases in the availability of COVID-19 diagnostic tests and were not counted in official COVID-19 death records. There was substantial variability between states in the difference between official COVID-19 deaths and the estimated burden of excess deaths.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: koods]
#26833408 - 07/19/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Too much fear mongering in the USA. I say free men can donas they wish, but you cant impose your beliefs on others. Wear a mask id you want to. Dont if you dont. Life goes on kids. Much more important things to obsess about. Like Trump! Right koods?
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: meltdowner] 1
#26833431 - 07/19/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Remember, the mask protects others more than it protects you. That's why it's important to wear in public.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: meltdowner]
#26833432 - 07/19/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Life goes on kids.
Unless it doesn’t
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