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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: koods]
    #26819251 - 07/12/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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suffered a hypoxic brain injury when I overdosed on heroin in 2016 and after a short time of wearing a mask properly I begin experiencing symptoms of oxygen deprivation as well as psychological distress as I am immediately taken back to that overdose



Yeah this is stupid. You’re not getting hypoxia from wearing a mask. Give me a fucking break. Maybe you have PTSD. If you can’t psychologically handle a piece of cloth over your mouth, then you should stay home until the pandemic is over. So tired of these ridiculous excuses. You’re not special.

Covid... that’s where you’re gonna get hypoxia.




Covid has a 99%+ survival rate, I am willing to take my chances. For people my age the risk of dying of covid is comparable to the risk of dying in a car accident driving to work. Why should I be scared? I don't fear death anyway.

As for the mask, yes I cannot breathe in it when properly worn and I begin experiencing the same symptoms I had to deal with after my brain injury. You can believe it is psychological, doesn't matter. I work a physical job where I need lots of air and deep breaths and I cannot perform it in a mask so I wear the thing around my neck most of the time and luckily my manager does not enforce it. I don't have the option to say home as I am an essential worker.

Rest assured I can handle a piece of cloth on my face so I will continue wearing my improper, ineffectual masks so you can enjoy your security theater. If you are that afraid of me, you can stay home.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #26819256 - 07/12/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It's outrageous to demand people wear a mask.



People said the same thing about seatbelts and helmets.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #26819257 - 07/12/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Covid has a 99%+ survival rate



That's not supported by the data, and that also ignores the real possibility of permanent damage short of death.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
    #26819383 - 07/12/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder how social distancing will work when the schools run active shooter drills?


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: searching]
    #26819429 - 07/12/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Would wear a mask if I had too, luckily only 1-15 new cases a day where I am at this past month, unlike a neighboring country who didn't shut anything down  :cookiemonster:. Haven't seen anyone wearing masks for quite a while actually even cashiers and people in customer service. Crazy mask use can even be correlated to politics in the US...


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: koods]
    #26819471 - 07/12/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The CDC has confirmed a recent Stanford study stating that the actual death rate is closer to 0.04%.




That’s absurd. Look at the bronx where over .3% of the entire population has died. There are towns in Italy where over 2% of the population has died. It’s just not credible to claim a rate of .04 or .4: The CFR is around 1.2.

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I’d prefer it’s total disintegration so we can get on with its replacement. 



Sounds like something a healthy self centered person would say




All I did was communicate the studies that were conducted.  It’s your choice to read them and believe them or not.  We’re going to have pockets of higher incidence rates.  Cognitive dissonance is a thing, no?

Also, the US is the unhealthiest country on the planet.  Land of the morbidly obese and Prozac.  Perhaps our lifestyles have brought this on ourselves. 

We’re all self centered.  I just have don’t sugar coat it.  You don’t seem like a particularly altruistic chap yourself.  I’m pragmatic, rational and realistic.  But, I guess that’s why we don’t agree.  Oh well, guess I’ll cry now.  🤷🏻‍♂️


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Vigilantevendetta]
    #26819500 - 07/12/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Letting the healthcare system fail is pragmatic?

You didn’t provide the study. You asserted it showed a number that is far too low to be real.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: koods]
    #26819605 - 07/12/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The numbers are inflated. The definition of a covid death is not an honest representation of how many deaths it causes.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Hartford]
    #26819637 - 07/12/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Not that inflated. I've been on the planet 50 years and I've never known anyone who died of flu. I know three who died of covid.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
    #26819646 - 07/12/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There are a lot of covid victims who never get counted because they’ve died at home without ever being diagnosed. It’s lkely the deaths are under reported by 25-50%


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: koods]
    #26819728 - 07/12/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ha! A likely story.

Going back to the original question, though: I don't think this is a liberal 's conservative issue. It's definitely more of a religious issue, spiritual people vs materialists.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #26819740 - 07/12/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'll give you that. Irrational and primitive beliefs are more likely to lead to science denial.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
    #26819760 - 07/12/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Covid has a 99%+ survival rate



That's not supported by the data, and that also ignores the real possibility of permanent damage short of death.




What do you mean it's not supported by the data?

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On Thursday, after the World Health Organization held a two-day online meeting of 1,300 scientists from around the world, the agency’s chief scientist, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, said the consensus for now was that the I.F.R. is about 0.6 percent — which means that the risk of death is less than 1 percent.




https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/coronavirus-death-rate.html

Current CDC estimate: 0.65%

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Of course it's even lower for my age group. In the county I live in of over 370,000 people we have not had a single death under 40. This year we've had more people in my age group die from car accidents than this virus.

I'm not particularly concerned about permanent damage either,  given how many people have had this virus if a significant number of them were ending up with any type of major permanent damage we'd be hearing a lot more about it. Of course living involves risks. I do have lasting damage (hopefully not permanent) from a severe strep infection I had right before the virus hit, but I wasn't demanding everyone wear masks to protect me back then. It's funny how no one seemed to care at all back then, going to work sick was considered admirable and rather than accuse you of being a grandma killer you risked getting in trouble for calling in.  Not saying that was a good attitude, I've long thought that sick people shouldn't be expected to go to work but this sudden turn around evokes a certain cognitive dissonance.


Anyway, I am not saying there is no risk. Getting sick and having permanent damage would suck but so would getting maimed in a car accident or getting injured falling off my bike. I am not going to let that stop me from riding though, because life involves risks and people get to choose which risks they want to take.

As for the argument "but you risk infecting other people", well perhaps but it's not proven a cloth mask would prevent that and I don't really go around other people much outside of work. I try to shop late when the stores are empty, I make sure to keep distance from strangers since I am respectful toward people who may fear the virus and if I do happen to have to pass by them I don't exhale until I've passed by.

Now if preventing the spread of this virus is such an important goal why stop at masks? Why not require everyone to wear a face shield as well? Face shields are easy to clean and reuse so they could be provided to everyone a relatively low cost and unlike cloth masks they can actually block particles as small as the virus, which is said to be able to enter through the eyes as well. It would seem having everyone wear a mask and face shield would provide far superior protection to just requiring "a face covering" which can literally be anything from an old handkerchief to part of an old T shirt.  Whether it actually protects you or anyone else from viruses is merely secondary, what really matters is that you look like you're doing something.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Peyote Road]
    #26820038 - 07/12/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. Thank you for providing that.

And yes, life is inherently risky. That shouldn't stop healthy people from enjoying it.

Asking them to be muzzled for fear that they might spread a virus with a .9% mortality rate is cruel.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Hartford] * 3
    #26820056 - 07/12/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No shirt, no shoes, no service

Absolute cruelty.  Tyranny, I say!


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
    #26820068 - 07/12/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I know three who died of covid.



I knew the first person in the US who died of covid.


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    #26821310 - 07/13/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just got this alert on my phone, Gretch ain't playing games.


I didn't vote for her, but I think she's doing an ok job with the virus, she's just trying to keep us safe. Some of the first set of regulations during the lockdown were a little absurd, no motorboating on any lakes or rivers. Don't understand how someone could spread the virus fishing alone out in the middle of a lake, but whatever. Hopefully people listen the fuck up and we don't get into round two lockdowns


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: MightyWhite]
    #26821346 - 07/13/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It won't be long before there's videos of store owners/managers calling cops on people that won't comply with covering their face and throwing a fit because they're refused service. Going to see the cops manhandle and bounce people's head off the pavement.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Hartford]
    #26821627 - 07/13/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The numbers are inflated. The definition of a covid death is not an honest representation of how many deaths it causes.




In the last five months, more people have died of pneumonia than in the last five years.

Just food for thought. Look up the numbers.


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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26822074 - 07/13/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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No shirt, no shoes, no service

Absolute cruelty.  Tyranny, I say!




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