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Vigilantevendetta
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Vahn421]
#26839340 - 07/22/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lastly, if you feel safe, you most definitely are not informed.
OoOoOoO new poster with attitude. I like it, but this statement seems to contradict your statements about covid?
I’m actually in a gray area with regards to my stance on the COVID. It’s existence is not as apocalyptic as some may believe but it’s not totally benign either. To me, being informed just means I realize how much I don’t know. That’s why I believe that being informed isn’t supposed to give you a sense of safety. Knowledge can be unsettling. Can I get an amen?
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koods
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: natedawgnow]
#26839541 - 07/22/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Except that enlil said it could have been aggravated murder.
Source, or make believe?
Hey Enlil, if the guy dies, do you think the cop should be charged with aggravated murder?
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natedawgnow said: As for this conversation
You said this to enlil
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You should provide some examples. What I've seen is that he'll post something, you'll take it uber-literally, and he'll clarify what the rest of us knew he meant in the first place
Yes, Enlil frequently makes semantics arguments.
I was pointing out your hypocrisy here since you're the master of taking things uber literally and arguing semantics.
Here's the difference. I asked Enlil if the police pushing the guy away was excessive force, and you responded "I can get murder charges for punching you in the face if you go down and crack your dome and die. It's called one punch homicide."
Should I have known you meant homicide and not murder? Maybe. Except you're STILL arguing you think it should have been murder if the guy died, and I still disagree.
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Enlil
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I don't see how that statute would ever apply in this case. That statute requires that the victim be either a child or one of several enumerated positions including cop, firefighter, etc.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26839650 - 07/23/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for confirming.
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You Gotta do it. I wear a mask when I work with asbestos cause it can kill you.
might not like it but it beats dying.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Graymaster]
#26839694 - 07/23/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow
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Sorry i mixed up up aggravated assault and felony murder.
This is from the other thread
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Enlil said: If the guy died, it might be manslaughter. It might be felony murder. It would depend on the evidence and what the jury believes.
Both are homicide. Homicide is the general term, with murder, manslaughter, etc. being subsets thereof. Not every homicide is murder, but every murder is a homicide. Not every homicide is even a crime, frankly.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: natedawgnow]
#26839938 - 07/23/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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When did I say it would be murder in this thread? I said enlil claimed it could have been murder.
Still proving my point I see
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: natedawgnow]
#26839973 - 07/23/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, felony murder is a possibility if he died. Felony murder is called murder, but it isn't really murder in the traditional sense. Historically, the separation between murder and homicide was intent. Traditional murder is a homicide with "malice aforethought." Felony murder is something created to address social outrage about people getting killed unintentionally during a rape or robbery and the rapist/robber is only convicted of manslaughter.
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bernardfraun
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26840044 - 07/23/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Being an expert in immunology, epidemiology and virology, while also having read all the published and peer-reviewed literature, wearing a mask is not only pointless, it has very real adverse effects. The only people who believe they are of any use are people not trained in the above topics, who listen to politicians and are susceptible to fear based mind control, they are coming from a place of emotion, not facts.
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Enlil
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You haven't established your status as an expert. Post your CV, then we can discuss whether you're qualified to render an expert opinion.
In the alternative, you can post the materials that support your claim.
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26840080 - 07/23/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thankfully, I'm not giving any medical advice, I would prefer others arrive at their own conclusions. You can simply refer to the DHS covid master question list for the latest up to date scientific information used to formulate policy. Just fyi, aerosol transmission has not been proven, furthermore they have NOT isolated the virus and injected it into a healthy patients to reproduce the same set of symptoms (aka zero proof of the assertions being made). But wait, it get's better... WHO guidance calls for 2 separate ICD-10 codes for death certificates, U07.1 for 'test confirmed' and U07.2 for 'assumed/no test done'...well what do you know the CDC is aggregating both of these data sets and presenting them as a single U07.1 'test confirmed' ..I could go on, but needless to say the entire thing is a fraud, don't believe me? Go look at the autopsies done on covid deaths, this is the gold standard to determine cause of death. Guess what they found... they could NOT distinguish between viral and bacterial pneumonia.
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Enlil
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Ah....I get it now. We have a forum on this site that you'll love.
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bernardfraun
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: Enlil]
#26840096 - 07/23/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What does peer-reviewed scientific literature have anything to do with a conspiracy sub-forum. You clearly are trusting the 'experts'(aka biased political hacks) because you are not trained in the required fields to know what is bs and what is factual. Here is a clue, they tried to infect 455 healthy people, zero got sick. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/
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Enlil
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I've read that paper. It doesn't support your claim. They didn't "try" to infect anyone in that study. I don't think you even read it, to be honest. You MAY have read the abstract, but even that makes it clear that they used people that were exposed to an asymptomatic carrier instead of intentionally exposing people.
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In our study, asymptomatic COVID-19 carrier was defined as a patient without related clinical symptoms, but whose SARS-CoV-2 test was positive. Since Case A was diagnosed, all contacts, including hospital staffs, family members and patients, were routinely screened. Amounting to 455 contacts – 224 hospital staffs, 196 family members and 35 patients – who had been exposed to case A in EDOU or circulated area of it became the subjects of study. Contacts were defined as individuals in the same ward with Case A. EDOU plus the circulated area of it covers 60 square meters where there are 14 patients' beds placed at least 1.2 m apart. The study was approved by the Medical Ethical Committee of Guangdong Provincial People's Hospital.
I call bullshit on your "expert" status.
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natedawgnow
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bernardfraun said: What does peer-reviewed scientific literature have anything to do with a conspiracy sub-forum. You clearly are trusting the 'experts'(aka biased political hacks) because you are not trained in the required fields to know what is bs and what is factual. Here is a clue, they tried to infect 455 healthy people, zero got sick. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/
You should read papers you post as evidence.
Nobody was intentionally infected with covid, as your comment suggests.
They just monitored 455 people who were exposed to an asymptomatic carrier.
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natedawgnow
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26840129 - 07/23/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil beat me to it
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koods
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26840135 - 07/23/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude he’s an expert in immunology
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Enlil
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Re: Politics and mask wearing [Re: koods] 2
#26840137 - 07/23/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not an expert in reading, unfortunately.
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