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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: MightyWhite]
    #26811960 - 07/09/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If Bernie would've been nominated, we wouldn't be in this mess. Bernie would give us free weed and rich people would have to pay for it.

Bernie would've won if he didn't lose. Bernie is wildly popular.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: MightyWhite]
    #26811962 - 07/09/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You're probably walking a thin line right now showing that data. You better tone down the racism and bigotry before you get banned




If I get banned for posting an actual graph from the FBI, this board has been compromised and I don't want to be here, anyway. Think really hard about what you just said.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26812185 - 07/09/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Neither of those graphs really prove much of anything, not unless you like to tell camp fire stories. Yes, most cities have Democratic mayors. Good work. If you are trying to say that areas with Democratic mayors have higher crime rates due to Democratic governance, you are clearly wrong, as correlations is not causation. Also, BLM hasn't really done a lot of protesting in regards to citizen on citizen murders (because cops killing citizens isn't categorized as murder). BLM are protesting cops killing black people at disproportionate rates. That includes black cops killing black people. So that graph simply doesn't apply. So in conclusion, you just like to tell camp fire stories.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26812246 - 07/09/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You're probably walking a thin line right now showing that data. You better tone down the racism and bigotry before you get banned




If I get banned for posting an actual graph from the FBI, this board has been compromised and I don't want to be here, anyway. Think really hard about what you just said.




What has this world come to when the federal government isn’t regarded as a good source on an illicit drug forum


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26812247 - 07/09/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Also I knew exactly what graphs were posted without even needing to go back a page, that’s how predictable you are.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: christopera] * 2
    #26812492 - 07/09/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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BLM are protesting cops killing black people at disproportionate rates.





African Americans are about 12% of the population yet commit more than 50% of the crime.

Of COURSE there's going to be a disproportionate number of shootings.  If people would get their head out of their asses and do some basic counting, this would be obvious.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26812494 - 07/09/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Also I knew exactly what graphs were posted without even needing to go back a page, that’s how predictable you are.





Who cares? Being predictable here doesn't change jack shit. The numbers still stand.

Congratulations. You've contributed so much to this thread!


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26812555 - 07/09/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Also I knew exactly what graphs were posted without even needing to go back a page, that’s how predictable you are.





Who cares? Being predictable here doesn't change jack shit. The numbers still stand.

Congratulations. You've contributed so much to this thread!



And then the media said trump lied when he said the most dangerous cities were run by Democrats  :lol:


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26812613 - 07/09/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
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BLM are protesting cops killing black people at disproportionate rates.





African Americans are about 12% of the population yet commit more than 50% of the crime.

Of COURSE there's going to be a disproportionate number of shootings.  If people would get their head out of their asses and do some basic counting, this would be obvious.




Predictable response from a person who posted a bunch of graphs that prove absolutely nothing. First off, "50% of the crime" is made up. You sure do like camp fire stories. Second off, you are fine with cops being the judge, jury, and executioner? Or are we provided with due process in this country?

White people made up about 68% of all arrests in 2017. African American were were good for 27%. Don't cry into your lucky charms.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

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Also I knew exactly what graphs were posted without even needing to go back a page, that’s how predictable you are.





Who cares? Being predictable here doesn't change jack shit. The numbers still stand.





Those numbers don't mean shit. It's just you telling camp fire stories. Whatever facebook meme you pulled that bullshit from needs to go away.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: christopera]
    #26812617 - 07/09/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is an "arrested" chart. Not a "crime committed" chart.

Words matter.

Try again.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26812619 - 07/09/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Second off, you are fine with cops being the judge, jury, and executioner




Another strawman. They are neither the judge, nor the jury. I know this and I know you know this.

Try again.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26812628 - 07/09/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I will amend my statement. It's not that the 12% black population commits 50% of the crime, I slightly misspoke.

It's that they commit over 50% of the murders.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: christopera]
    #26812638 - 07/09/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: Couldn't back up their claim that a correlation exists between crime levels and 'Defund the Police' campaigns - or their claim that "the least worst option we have is police forces" - so instead they decide to pull out the ol' 13/52...

Yes, definitely rooted in reality :lol:


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26812642 - 07/09/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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This is an "arrested" chart. Not a "crime committed" chart.

Words matter.

Try again.





That's because the FBI doesn't publish conviction numbers. You show me the crime data where African Americans commit "commit more than 50% of the crime" and we will have something. You made the claim, now support it.

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Second off, you are fine with cops being the judge, jury, and executioner




Another strawman. They are neither the judge, nor the jury. I know this and I know you know this.

Try again.




You don't know what a strawman fallacy is.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26812645 - 07/09/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I will amend my statement. It's not that the 12% black population commits 50% of the crime, I slightly misspoke.

It's that they commit over 50% of the murders.




Ohh, so it was make believe. Thanks for coming to the table.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26812650 - 07/09/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I will amend my statement. It's not that the 12% black population commits 50% of the crime, I slightly misspoke.

It's that they commit over 50% of the murders.





Any by the way, don't be a Texas sharp shooter, which is a the cherry picking fallacy. You have picked a single statistic and labeled black people worse than everybody else.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: christopera]
    #26812705 - 07/09/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I will amend my statement. It's not that the 12% black population commits 50% of the crime, I slightly misspoke.

It's that they commit over 50% of the murders.





Any by the way, don't be a Texas sharp shooter, which is a the cherry picking fallacy. You have picked a single statistic and labeled black people worse than everybody else.




I've done no such thing. You're projecting. Reel it in.

The reason we bring this statistic up on our side of the debate is to merely point out that the BLM protests don't really give a shit about black lives. They only fuckin' care when a white person, ideally a cop, shoots a black man. And it happens so rarely that an unarmed innocent black man is shot and killed by a cop relative to what happens when they point guns at each other.

I am bothered by the way you "debate" because two times in a row now you've created a position that you pretend I adopt and then proceed to mock it or debunk it when it's not even my position in the first place.

This is *exactly* what a strawman is.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26812709 - 07/09/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm the only one among most of my peers that has talked about the fact that BLM protesters have been responsible for more black deaths IN LIKE ONE MONTH, directly and indirectly, than cops have shot in like 3 years. (unarmed, innocent black men.)

Nobody seems to give a shit about all of these lives but me.

Do you? Cuz nobody fuckin' talks about it.

The entire reason why we have to talk about BLM in conjunction with the CHAZ is because that's basically why CHAZ happened in the first place.

BLM doesn't give a shit about black lives if they can't politicize it.

Floyd fuckin held weapons to peoples stomachs in his past and he gets love and praise from people.

Two little girls die and nobody fuckin' cares.

I fucking hate it, man. I hate it.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26812720 - 07/09/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
:lol: Couldn't back up their claim that a correlation exists between crime levels and 'Defund the Police' campaigns - or their claim that "the least worst option we have is police forces" - so instead they decide to pull out the ol' 13/52...

Yes, definitely rooted in reality :lol:




I've given you plenty of empirical data already. I don't even know what planet you're on any longer. You've not even ATTEMPTED to explain why the previous data I've pointed out isn't good enough for you and instead you still insist I've shown you nothing.

In debate class you'd be failing for not at least addressing the things I've pointed out. I've addressed EVERYTHING you've said, INCLUDING the things that I accidentally missed, you pointed OUT I missed, and then I went back and answered anyway.

Talk about one-sided, here.


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Re: The aftermath of Seattle's CHAZ/CHOP. My insights. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26812724 - 07/09/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Also I knew exactly what graphs were posted without even needing to go back a page, that’s how predictable you are.





Who cares? Being predictable here doesn't change jack shit. The numbers still stand.

Congratulations. You've contributed so much to this thread!




The numbers are irrelevant genius.

Black people getting arrested and imprisoned more than whites is proof of our racist justice system (the one you cried about Joe Biden expanding in the other thread), not proof of black people’s inherent criminality.


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