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Re: Growing in a hydro tent vs a monotub [Re: MycoWill]
    #26816343 - 07/11/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to get back to the OP's original question.
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My question is, how can I get better performance from my trays?


 

Right from the start.... The picture you provided has your trays in a tent growing along side your gourmet mushrooms... Correct?  I don't grow gourmet mushrooms, so I don't know if those bags are waiting to fruit or are just colonizing.  Either way, they are in bags.  Consider that they are in a different micro climate altogether than your trays.... Different CO2 levels... and even different temperatures because the heat they are generating is being kept by the bags.  This brings me to the trays... I agree with "PastyWhyte" in regards to MY monotubs perform better then your trays.  Your question is valid!  Why do monotubs perform better than the tents that you grow your gourmet mushrooms?  First off.. Can you grow or are you willing to grow your gourmet mushrooms in trays?  If the answer is "No", then you are comparing apples and oranges. I believe that higher CO2 levels and high humidity is key to your question.  When I do monotubs, once I shift my tubs into fruiting conditions.... I LEAVE THEM ALONE.  I may fan and mist my tubs for about 2 days to get them to start forming hyphal knots, but as soon as I see them forming... I stop.  The holes with polyfill  are enough to provide the gas exchange needed for beautiful fruits.  I won't open my tubs until harvest time.  This brings another aspect into the game.... TEMPERATURE!  Lower temperatures, (in my experience), will result in "slower growth" but "beefier fruits", while normal to higher temperatures will result in "faster growth" and taller less dense fruits.  I would consider EVERYTHING.  If you truly want to get to the bottom of your question about performance... build another tent dedicated to your "exotic" mushrooms and try and recreate the micro climate of a monotub.  Play with temperature and take notes.  Keep us posted with your venture!  :inlove:


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Re: Growing in a hydro tent vs a monotub [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #26816363 - 07/11/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The shroomy 1 said:
I'd like to get back to the OP's original question.
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My question is, how can I get better performance from my trays?


 

Right from the start.... The picture you provided has your trays in a tent growing along side your gourmet mushrooms... Correct?  I don't grow gourmet mushrooms, so I don't know if those bags are waiting to fruit or are just colonizing.  Either way, they are in bags.  Consider that they are in a different micro climate altogether than your trays.... Different CO2 levels... and even different temperatures because the heat they are generating is being kept by the bags.  This brings me to the trays... I agree with "PastyWhyte" in regards to MY monotubs perform better then your trays.  Your question is valid!  Why do monotubs perform better than the tents that you grow your gourmet mushrooms?  First off.. Can you grow or are you willing to grow your gourmet mushrooms in trays?  If the answer is "No", then you are comparing apples and oranges. I believe that higher CO2 levels and high humidity is key to your question.  When I do monotubs, once I shift my tubs into fruiting conditions.... I LEAVE THEM ALONE.  I may fan and mist my tubs for about 2 days to get them to start forming hyphal knots, but as soon as I see them forming... I stop.  The holes with polyfill  are enough to provide the gas exchange needed for beautiful fruits.  I won't open my tubs until harvest time.  This brings another aspect into the game.... TEMPERATURE!  Lower temperatures, (in my experience), will result in "slower growth" but "beefier fruits", while normal to higher temperatures will result in "faster growth" and taller less dense fruits.  I would consider EVERYTHING.  If you truly want to get to the bottom of your question about performance... build another tent dedicated to your "exotic" mushrooms and try and recreate the micro climate of a monotub.  Play with temperature and take notes.  Keep us posted with your venture!  :inlove:




Not quite sure of the first half of the post comparing gourmets to cubes, they just happen to both be in the tent at the same time but I'm not comparing them, when I made the reference to putting oysters in a mono that was just because I've seen people attempt to put blocks in a mono to raise RH during fruiting with poor results and was pointing out higher Co2 is to blame for worse fruits for that specific species.

I did not consider temperature. Thank you for that. So that makes me wonder what has a larger influence on tall, stemy fruits, higher Co2 or higher temperature. And I do the same with my monos, after hyphal knots appear and I put them to fruit I don't open them again until its time to harvest.

If it came off as I'm Mr tent, that's not the case. I currently have a wall on monos going, and producing canopies so thick you can't see a bit of coir. But, my experience from the potency of the tray grown fruits made me curious as to if what I believe may be better fruiting conditions (up for debate) are to blame. I think the next step is to innoc two tubs side by side, fruit one as I would any other tub, and put the other in the tent with the lid off and crank the RH to 95-99%, maintain Co2 levels below 1200ppm and compare yield and potency. What I do want to avoid is having to mist the trays numerous times a day to maintain surface moisture, as if that is what is necessary to get trays to work, I'd probably stick with monos. I was just hoping there may be a tent wizard lurking around that already knows the ins and out of tent cultivation.


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Re: Growing in a hydro tent vs a monotub [Re: MycoWill]
    #26816368 - 07/11/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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MycoWill said:
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The shroomy 1 said:
I'd like to get back to the OP's original question.
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My question is, how can I get better performance from my trays?


 

Right from the start.... The picture you provided has your trays in a tent growing along side your gourmet mushrooms... Correct?  I don't grow gourmet mushrooms, so I don't know if those bags are waiting to fruit or are just colonizing.  Either way, they are in bags.  Consider that they are in a different micro climate altogether than your trays.... Different CO2 levels... and even different temperatures because the heat they are generating is being kept by the bags.  This brings me to the trays... I agree with "PastyWhyte" in regards to MY monotubs perform better then your trays.  Your question is valid!  Why do monotubs perform better than the tents that you grow your gourmet mushrooms?  First off.. Can you grow or are you willing to grow your gourmet mushrooms in trays?  If the answer is "No", then you are comparing apples and oranges. I believe that higher CO2 levels and high humidity is key to your question.  When I do monotubs, once I shift my tubs into fruiting conditions.... I LEAVE THEM ALONE.  I may fan and mist my tubs for about 2 days to get them to start forming hyphal knots, but as soon as I see them forming... I stop.  The holes with polyfill  are enough to provide the gas exchange needed for beautiful fruits.  I won't open my tubs until harvest time.  This brings another aspect into the game.... TEMPERATURE!  Lower temperatures, (in my experience), will result in "slower growth" but "beefier fruits", while normal to higher temperatures will result in "faster growth" and taller less dense fruits.  I would consider EVERYTHING.  If you truly want to get to the bottom of your question about performance... build another tent dedicated to your "exotic" mushrooms and try and recreate the micro climate of a monotub.  Play with temperature and take notes.  Keep us posted with your venture!  :inlove:




Not quite sure of the first half of the post comparing gourmets to cubes, they just happen to both be in the tent at the same time but I'm not comparing them, when I made the reference to putting oysters in a mono that was just because I've seen people attempt to put blocks in a mono to raise RH during fruiting with poor results and was pointing out higher Co2 is to blame for worse fruits for that specific species.

I did not consider temperature. Thank you for that. So that makes me wonder what has a larger influence on tall, stemy fruits, higher Co2 or higher temperature. And I do the same with my monos, after hyphal knots appear and I put them to fruit I don't open them again until its time to harvest.

If it came off as I'm Mr tent, that's not the case. I currently have a wall on monos going, and producing canopies so thick you can't see a bit of coir. But, my experience from the potency of the tray grown fruits made me curious as to if what I believe may be better fruiting conditions (up for debate) are to blame. I think the next step is to innoc two tubs side by side, fruit one as I would any other tub, and put the other in the tent with the lid off and crank the RH to 95-99%, maintain Co2 levels below 1200ppm and compare yield and potency. What I do want to avoid is having to mist the trays numerous times a day to maintain surface moisture, as if that is what is necessary to get trays to work, I'd probably stick with monos. I was just hoping there may be a tent wizard lurking around that already knows the ins and out of tent cultivation.



Well, there is a someone I know, but he is not from this group or forum.  I'll PM you with his info


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Re: Growing in a hydro tent vs a monotub [Re: FRUITS]
    #26816622 - 07/11/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I use a small aquarium, filled with water and a water heater in it to keep humidity... works great!



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Re: Growing in a hydro tent vs a monotub [Re: panne cyanne]
    #26816685 - 07/11/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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panne cyanne said:
if one trich outburst was the defeating factor anywhere we would all be cooked.
in this case, my experience has shown me tents and marthas are far more prone to this phenom.

it doesnt take much
my lab is about as sophisticated as it gets.
years ago, i had a trich outbreak.
after much inspection
in a test tube rack , there was the thinnest almost invisible spec of trich,
wich was contaminating the entire lab.
upon discover trich vanished.

now imagine that thinnest of specs of trich, in a tent, or martha unseen.

ill admit , tents look cool, and are nice for air handling closed environments. yet ill never use one again if i got paid to do it.



Ok Anne H 2.0

There's farms with wooden shelved fruiting rooms. and the wood is covered in trich. And it poses no problem.


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