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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Justweed] 1
#26809512 - 07/07/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Simple is a tub with holes in it and material over the holes to provide resistance. Even simpler is a tub with smaller holes that doesn’t even need a thing done to it. Maybe a light on a timer. Anything more is over complicating it. You don’t need a tent and you certainly don’t need a bunch of extra shit added to that so the tent doesn’t fuck everything up.
Simple tub (notice the pinset)

Even easier

Anything beyond this is likely more complicated than it needs to be.
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26809550 - 07/07/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Simple is a tub with holes in it and material over the holes to provide resistance. Even simpler is a tub with smaller holes that doesn’t even need a thing done to it. Maybe a light on a timer. Anything more is over complicating it. You don’t need a tent and you certainly don’t need a bunch of extra shit added to that so the tent doesn’t fuck everything up.
Simple tub (notice the pinset)

Even easier

Anything beyond this is likely more complicated than it needs to be.
I have to have the tent for a controlled environment, I don't just have it for fun. If you look at my posts, my tubs are as you say, tubs with holes in them with some resistance. My tubs right now put out ~4 ounces dry per flush, I'm just trying to achieve a more even pinset with fewer aborts. There's a difference between ideal for me and working for me, and I'm shooting for ideal now that I've got things working well. With the advice I got in this thread I made 3 changes that might help boost my tubs to 5-6oz dry per flush, more towards ideal, and with no more work on my part other than the 5 minutes it took me to move my other tent's exhaust and the 30 seconds it took to put lights on my lids. If I could ditch the tent I would, 10 years ago when I first grew I didn't need it and everything worked fine just like I'm doing it now....Again, just working toward ideal now.
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Justweed]
#26809568 - 07/07/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those tubs both put out 9-10oz first flush. The tub should be controlling the environment for the most part. If you absolutely must grow with a tent then you know your business. But if it was a choice between growing in a tent and not growing in a tent, I’m going to do whatever I can to not grow in the tent.
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26809580 - 07/07/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Those tubs both put out 9-10oz first flush. The tub should be controlling the environment for the most part. If you absolutely must grow with a tent then you know your business. But if it was a choice between growing in a tent and not growing in a tent, I’m going to do whatever I can to not grow in the tent.
Yea unfortunately moving is not an option at this point BUT! If I can make the tent environment work as a nontent environment, maybe I can hit those numbers myself
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Justweed]
#26809600 - 07/07/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your climate isn’t that bad, if that’s what you’re referring to. If your tubs are drying out you’re not dialing them in correctly. My RH is very low especially in winter. It’s called getting the balance achieved. Sometimes it takes a top layer or a slightly lower spawn ratio to achieve but it can be done. Your tubs are soaking man.
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26809639 - 07/07/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Your climate isn’t that bad, if that’s what you’re referring to. If your tubs are drying out you’re not dialing them in correctly. My RH is very low especially in winter. It’s called getting the balance achieved. Sometimes it takes a top layer or a slightly lower spawn ratio to achieve but it can be done. Your tubs are soaking man.
Maybe I need to reduce my field capacity slightly when making subs...I just switched from loose coir to compact bricks of coir for my subs, and I'm copying Eat's recipe for substrate to the T. My humidity outside my tent is less than ideal, as is my temperature. In the winter it'd be far too cold to grow without a tent, or I'd be paying a lot and pulling way more power than I'd want to be for heating.
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Justweed]
#26809724 - 07/07/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you wear a coat in your house in the winter?
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26809752 - 07/07/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Do you wear a coat in your house in the winter?
I could down in the grow area! It's a solid 10*+ less than the upstairs.
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Justweed]
#26809837 - 07/07/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I guess that’s a rough situation, good luck with your spaceship
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26810244 - 07/08/20 03:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Are you keeping these in a grow tent? If so that’s part of the issue, they most likely are not getting enough FAE. Closet would be bad but a grow tent is a gonna make things much worse IMO.
So low FAE causes higher amounts of pins?
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Justweed]
#26810351 - 07/08/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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hope that the reason was the uv-c thing running and u gonna make some nice   
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Pastywhyte said: Are you keeping these in a grow tent? If so that’s part of the issue, they most likely are not getting enough FAE. Closet would be bad but a grow tent is a gonna make things much worse IMO.
So low FAE causes higher amounts of pins?
I know that my higher amount of pins is from changing my spawn method, having a pseudo casing during spawning like how Eatyu does it has double or tripled the amount of pins I get, between my tubs that were getting half as many or fewer pins were spawned just tossing everything in the tub and mixing, and I'd still get some aborts, but nothing to make a thread about... now though I'm getting a ridiculous amount of pins and a ridiculous amount of aborts!
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LogicaL Chaos said:
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Pastywhyte said: Are you keeping these in a grow tent? If so that’s part of the issue, they most likely are not getting enough FAE. Closet would be bad but a grow tent is a gonna make things much worse IMO.
So low FAE causes higher amounts of pins?
No, the pinset is the result of good genetics in good pinning conditions. FAE requirements to satisfy the tropic response for pinnning is pretty low, hence why people can get pins on their agar. However low FAE will contribute to huge pinsets aborting. Stale air allows for standing water (via condensation) to form on the caps which leads to aborts or Pseudomonas setting in.
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Re: Pinset mostly aborts? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26810837 - 07/08/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've found that to be the case too. When I see a normal pin set I just keep the tub as is. If I have a dense pinset then I up the FAE. I still have aborts but not nearly as much as if I treated it like a normal tub.
I have pretty shitty environment that goes from 70 at night to 79 in the day and it's right under a window AC and behind a box fan. I'm using eat's pinky filter tek and having good luck with it so far (probably 7 months now)and pulling .75 - 1 oz per qt of spawn first flush.
Just had a first flush of 1.125oz per qt on a good batch of Rusty Whytes this morning!
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See what drives me nuts is I'll not check a tub for too long after spawning, I'll look at it and it'll have a super dense pinset already with no FAE, then once I start FAE, I'll get mass aborts and then get giant fruits...I'm still getting average 1oz per quart of spawn on first flushes, but it's in massive fruits... So far the new tubs I have with the fish filters are going alright, plus the lights seem to have a small effect! We'll see if things continue!
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