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Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? * 1
    #26810099 - 07/07/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This article is quite ironic to me.

"MINNESOTA GOVERNOR REQUESTS FEMA AID FOR DAMAGE DUE TO UNREST, NOW AN ESTIMATED $500M"

The state of Minnesota did nothing to stop their rioters and basically gave "the fed" and our POTUS two middle fingers at the idea of interfering to prevent the chaos.

The damage has been done now. $500 million dollars worth of damage. (And probably still rising.) Most of that to Minneapolis. And now the state, in its aftermath, is asking (the very same people they scorned), for money to fix the problem.

The funniest/saddest part is that BLM rioters wound up negatively destroying their own black communities just as much as anyone else's.

Do they deserve to be bailed out?

I personally think Trump should give out grants to any business that wants to relocate to another state. Why would you, as a small business owner, want to stay in a state where your own governor, mayor and citizens betrayed you?


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26810380 - 07/08/20 05:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Since it doesn't sound legal, Trump would probably be up for giving grants to any business that wants to relocate to another state.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26810479 - 07/08/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You think the people the state of Minnesota scorned is the federal government? What world are you living in?


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #26810583 - 07/08/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If the Fed is going to fund local police departments, they can fund the mess they leave behind.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/872387351/how-federal-dollars-fund-local-police

You can't have it both ways, if the Fed is going to pass unjust laws and fund the enforcement of those laws, they have to fund the aftermath of policing those laws. :shrug: It's called of the cost of doing business.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: qman]
    #26810885 - 07/08/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If the Fed is going to fund local police departments, they can fund the mess they leave behind.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/872387351/how-federal-dollars-fund-local-police

You can't have it both ways, if the Fed is going to pass unjust laws and fund the enforcement of those laws, they have to fund the aftermath of policing those laws. :shrug: It's called of the cost of doing business.




I fail to understand your point. If anything, NO policing was done by the fed because Minnesota said "fuck you, don't interfere" last month.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26811492 - 07/08/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Interference by the POTUS would have caused more damage.

MN is fine, it's one of the most financially healthy states in the country. Before POTUS fucked up Covid, MN was looking at a $1.5B budget surplus. Even accounting for the loss of tax revenue caused by the Trumpvirus, MN has just barely enough slush fund money to cover projected losses ($2.4B) for the year.

MN needs to close their borders to the shitholes in the southeast, like FL, TX, AZ, and other republican states if they don't get to take advantage of the same bailouts that those same red states will be getting. And for, ya know, basic safety reasons. Most of the northern states have figured out Covid and are doing pretty good, it's just the shitholes where cases are blowing up and hospitals are overflowing.

I'd actually support a blue state secession. Let the republicans deal with their shit without collecting welfare from blue state taxes.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26811544 - 07/08/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd actually support a blue state secession.




There goes all your food and trade workers, but hey, I'd take that deal. Our economy would boom.

And what do we lose? Hollywood? People blocking our streets and destroying our neighborhoods with their rioting?

Fuck yes, let's do it.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26811615 - 07/08/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If the Fed is going to fund local police departments, they can fund the mess they leave behind.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/872387351/how-federal-dollars-fund-local-police

You can't have it both ways, if the Fed is going to pass unjust laws and fund the enforcement of those laws, they have to fund the aftermath of policing those laws. :shrug: It's called of the cost of doing business.




I fail to understand your point. If anything, NO policing was done by the fed because Minnesota said "fuck you, don't interfere" last month.




No, over policing is the problem in the first place. The 'war on drugs' is fueled by the crooks in DC, that's the dam problem, not the police retreating from the riots.

If the Feds want to fund the over policing and the 'war on drugs', then they should pay for the collateral damage that comes with it.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: qman] * 3
    #26811789 - 07/08/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The war on drugs needs to end.

Joe Biden (Google: Biden Crime Bill) is responsible for virtually all of of what has happened since 1994 relating to incarcerations for drug use going WAY up. Thanks to Biden, people who used to be in this forum have received much harsher punishment than they would have otherwise.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421] * 3
    #26812251 - 07/09/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that’s a great point. If you weren’t being extremely racist in all the other threads I might take your criticism of Biden’s expansion of the racist carceral system at face value.

Here’s the problem with conservatives on this sub: they (for the most part) acknowledge the shittiness of the Democratic Party, but then decide to support the GOP which is by all metrics way shittier.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26812499 - 07/09/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If you weren’t being extremely racist in all the other threads I might take your criticism of Biden’s expansion of the racist carceral system at face value.




Gee, that's too bad.


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Here’s the problem with conservatives on this sub:




I'm not a conservative, it's just the liberal party has gone completely off the rails.


And here's the problem with democrats ("for the most part"): They can't debate facts properly so they use the "racist" card instead.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26812715 - 07/09/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don’t really give a shit about logical fallacies lol cry more


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26812851 - 07/09/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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And now the state, in its aftermath, is asking (the very same people they scorned), for money to fix the problem.




You think they have to play nice to get federal aid? What you’re suggesting is we run our government on a system of patronage


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26813815 - 07/09/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don’t really give a shit about logical fallacies lol cry more




You actually used one of the few cases where as hominem is not a fallacy. The ad hominem fallacy requires you to bring up unrelated personality traits. If, for example, you said "we'll ur gey", that would be an ad hominem fallacy. However, as racism is directly related to the matter at hand, pointing out the previously documented racist tendencies of the person making an argument related to racism is entirely valid.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26814136 - 07/10/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The war on drugs needs to end.

Joe Biden (Google: Biden Crime Bill) is responsible for virtually all of of what has happened since 1994 relating to incarcerations for drug use going WAY up. Thanks to Biden, people who used to be in this forum have received much harsher punishment than they would have otherwise.




You really should stop saying stupid shit. "Joe Biden is responsible for virtually all" ...

In another post you said that all the racism had been coming from the left for several decades.

If you keep posting stupid shit on this sub, most of the people here are going to treat you like you're stupid. But hey, you'll get positive feedback from the racists and stupid people.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26814831 - 07/10/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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In another post you said that all the racism had been coming from the left for several decades.




No I didn't.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26814833 - 07/10/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don’t really give a shit about logical fallacies lol cry more




You actually used one of the few cases where as hominem is not a fallacy. The ad hominem fallacy requires you to bring up unrelated personality traits. If, for example, you said "we'll ur gey", that would be an ad hominem fallacy. However, as racism is directly related to the matter at hand, pointing out the previously documented racist tendencies of the person making an argument related to racism is entirely valid.




This has to be the weakest thing I've read in a while.

People use the racist card when they can't argue rationally.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26814842 - 07/10/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That’s not a rational statement.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: koods]
    #26814865 - 07/10/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, it absolutely is.

If you have more than two brain cells, you can debunk my position without appealing to raicsm.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26814981 - 07/10/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That depends on whether your position is racist or not.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26815041 - 07/10/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh, it absolutely is.

If you have more than two brain cells, you can debunk my position without appealing to raicsm.



So, you admit that your position is easily debunked by anyone with more than two brain cells.  Logically, this means that:

1. You're arguing in bad faith a position you do not hold, or

2. You have two or less brain cells.

So, which is it?


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26815468 - 07/10/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I don’t really give a shit about logical fallacies lol cry more




You actually used one of the few cases where as hominem is not a fallacy. The ad hominem fallacy requires you to bring up unrelated personality traits. If, for example, you said "we'll ur gey", that would be an ad hominem fallacy. However, as racism is directly related to the matter at hand, pointing out the previously documented racist tendencies of the person making an argument related to racism is entirely valid.




This has to be the weakest thing I've read in a while.

People use the racist card when they can't argue rationally.




Buddy, I don't give enough of a shit about you to debunk your position. That's just from the like, three forum threads I've seen you in. Go do your thing somewhere far away and preferably downwind.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26815969 - 07/10/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
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Vahn421 said:
Quote:

Kryptos said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I don’t really give a shit about logical fallacies lol cry more




You actually used one of the few cases where as hominem is not a fallacy. The ad hominem fallacy requires you to bring up unrelated personality traits. If, for example, you said "we'll ur gey", that would be an ad hominem fallacy. However, as racism is directly related to the matter at hand, pointing out the previously documented racist tendencies of the person making an argument related to racism is entirely valid.




This has to be the weakest thing I've read in a while.

People use the racist card when they can't argue rationally.




Buddy, I don't give enough of a shit about you to debunk your position. That's just from the like, three forum threads I've seen you in. Go do your thing somewhere far away and preferably downwind.




I'm not a fan of intellectual circle jerks where no one can challenge your ideas. It's why I'm here in the first place.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26816125 - 07/10/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If you weren’t being extremely racist in all the other threads I might take your criticism of Biden’s expansion of the racist carceral system at face value.



A

Gee, that's too bad.


Quote:

Here’s the problem with conservatives on this sub:




I'm not a conservative, it's just the liberal party has gone completely off the rails.


And here's the problem with democrats ("for the most part"): They can't debate facts properly so they use the "racist" card instead.




racist isnt a perjorative term, hes simply accurately describing your comments.

Edit:no one said you cant challenge anyones ideas. Youre challenging ideas left and right...youre just not making any good points against those ideas.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26816424 - 07/11/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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2. You have two or less brain cells.

This has to be the weakest thing I've read in a while.


Buddy, I don't give enough of a shit about you to debunk your position. That's just from the like, three forum threads I've seen you in. Go do your thing somewhere far away and preferably downwind.




As I deleted the irrelevancies, or what I wanted to delete, I knew who to attribute which statement would be lost, so to clarify, in order, that's Enlil, the Ecstatic and Kryptos.

Well done. I think you all said it better than I could.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26826105 - 07/15/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nope.  Democrats are just doing this for anti trump headlines.  Its disgusting.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: meltdowner]
    #26831614 - 07/18/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I say no bailout for Minnesota. They can raise state taxes and pay for it themselves. That should be enough incentive to not do it again.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: JizzMasterZero] * 1
    #26831796 - 07/19/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What about the tens of billions of extra dollars we’re going to have to spend in Florida, Texas and the other corona hotspots to bail out their businesses hurt because those states refused to be responsible about controlling outbreaks? I’m pretty fucking tired of helping these low rent red states constantly.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26832454 - 07/19/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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What about the tens of billions of extra dollars we’re going to have to spend in Florida, Texas and the other corona hotspots to bail out their businesses hurt because those states refused to be responsible about controlling outbreaks? I’m pretty fucking tired of helping these low rent red states constantly.




I actually agree with you for the most part.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: koods]
    #26833406 - 07/19/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

literally whataboutism.


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Re: Should the Fed bail out Minnesota? [Re: meltdowner]
    #26833454 - 07/19/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So what?


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