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brindle foxx
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My Tea always seems to not work
#26808857 - 07/07/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had prepareda tea with 9G dry of Golden Teachers and it was very gentle but i’d rate everything at maybe the experience of less than an 8th. This isn’t the first time this has happened.
I’m boiling 2 cups of water- Putting the fruit in a steeper and pouring one cup over the fruit and letting sit 10-15min then putting into my mug and adding tea bag and ginger shavings
Then after that I add the other cup of boiling water over the fruit and let steep while I sip the first cup After I sip the first The second one is ready and I sip that.
Everything is good but it feels like a failure to launch and at 9G that shouldn’t be an issue Any ideas? Also I fast at minimum 6 hours prior to any journeying and it has been 3 weeks since my last session
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: brindle foxx] 1
#26808920 - 07/07/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Steeping is the least effective way to make tea. If you want potent tea u need to boil them on the stove for 15-20min. Adding lemon juice when you boil is a good idea also.
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: SFS96]
#26808932 - 07/07/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also your tea bag could be soaking up some of the goods. Normally i steep tea bags then throw them away. Add crushed shrooms, I normally just crunch them up a bit in a bag. Add lemon juice and bring to full boil and start timer for 15-20min. Stir frequently and keep a close eye so it doesn’t boil over. Stain and add honey or sugar and your good to go. You will never want to eat them again, this tea will kick in about 20min after drinking.
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: SFS96]
#26808944 - 07/07/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have used vinegar with finely crushed dry mushrooms, steeping for 30 mins or so in a covered teacup and occasional stirring with good success. I then strain out the solids, squeeze them dry and mix the resulting liquid into a juice and cosume with great results ~ The filtered solids I have don't stain the water and also don't seem to cause anything but some stomach discomfort when cosumed later on, suggesting that majority of the funstuff got extracted in the process. I imagine vinegar helps a lot, since acidic conditions are supposed to increase solubility a lot.
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: MindMeower]
#26808984 - 07/07/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do it like 69 does (figured you wouldnt mind, if 6 was 9)
Maybe tone the dose down doing it like that in case the others were flukes and the 9g tea doesnt send you to a further planet in space than you aimed for
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: brindle foxx]
#26808985 - 07/07/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I generally boil them for 10 minutes. I add them to water, bring water to a boil, boil for ten minutes. Another great experienced member commented that boiling them like that is probably more like making mushroom soup, but it seems highly effective.
I've heard lots of other people say it's just as effective and better to just make tea like you're doing, but if you're having problems with that, then I recommend the boiling method.
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: Enkidu]
#26809213 - 07/07/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MindMeower said: I have used vinegar with finely crushed dry mushrooms, steeping for 30 mins or so in a covered teacup and occasional stirring with good success. I then strain out the solids, squeeze them dry and mix the resulting liquid into a juice and cosume with great results ~ The filtered solids I have don't stain the water and also don't seem to cause anything but some stomach discomfort when cosumed later on, suggesting that majority of the funstuff got extracted in the process. I imagine vinegar helps a lot, since acidic conditions are supposed to increase solubility a lot.
That sounds terrible lol try boiling in water with a little lemon juice. You won’t go back. Quote:
Enkidu said: I do it like 69 does (figured you wouldnt mind, if 6 was 9)
Not at all Now if 6 turned out to be 9, I don't mind, I don't mind - Jimi Hendrix
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: brindle foxx]
#26809225 - 07/07/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know, the other thing I just realized is that I normally always use fresh mushrooms rather than dry. It's possible that it might take longer to extract the actives from dry mushrooms. You might try chopping them up or crushing them up or something to make the extraction process a bit more effective. I'm not entirely sure what effect dry mushrooms vs wet would have on making tea.
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: SFS96]
#26809243 - 07/07/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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SFS96 said:That sounds terrible lol try boiling in water with a little lemon juice. You won’t go back.
I'm just wondering what makes it terrible ? I'm one of those people who can eat lemons like oranges, completely not being bothered by sourness and actually enjoying it. Vinegar is much more cheaper (and lasts really long) and just as effective, and just as sour (if not overdone lol) so I don't really see a problem.
I will try boiling though, to see if there's any meaningful difference with dry mushrooms. I know that steeping didn't work with fresh mushrooms and a good amount of funstuff was still left in the solids, resulting in much weaker trip than 47g should have given, something along the lines of 30 grams equivalent...
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: SFS96]
#26809249 - 07/07/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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SFS96 said: Steeping is the least effective way to make tea. If you want potent tea u need to boil them on the stove for 15-20min. Adding lemon juice when you boil is a good idea also.
I don't find that's necessary. Probably doesn't hurt other than making the "tea" have a stronger flavor, but I use as little heat as needed and it works just fine for me.
I never boil/cook my mushrooms when making a tea.
I'm trying to make a mushroom tea, not a mushroom broth/soup. Boiling/cooking the mushrooms is not necessary for the alkaloids to become soluble in water. The alkaloids are already quite soluble in water as it is, lower the ph a bit with some lemon juice/acid and they're pretty dang soluble in water. One could let mushrooms sit in some cold water/lemon water over night in a refrigerator and it'd work just fine even with out any heat at all.
I let my mushrooms soak in a tiny amount of lemon juice in a cup while I bring some water up to a boil in a pot....as soon as the water in the pot is boiling I take the pot off the stove/heat and then I pour the mushrooms into the pot and put a lid on the pot, then I let it steep/brew for 15 to 30 minutes giving it a stir here & there...Then I filter/press the mushrooms to get all the liquid out of them.
It works well for me, I start coming up within just a minute or two after the first drink.
But to each their own ....I know everyone has their own preferences and ways they like to do things.
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: brindle foxx]
#26809263 - 07/07/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here ya go, OP:-
Psilocin is safe up to about 270 Celsius, so boil the heck out of them. I’ll tell you my tea method (has worked perfectly for 35 years).
1. Cut up with scissors, or break dried mushrooms between fingers, into a pan. 1a. If yo want to get the biggest bang for your buck, and the most psychoactives bioavailable, then soak first in lemon juice, enough to soak. But be warned  2. Pour over boiling water. Turn on heat and bring back to the boil. 3. Turn down heat if you want; I boil rapidly for ONE MINUTE, stirring constantly (or mashing if fresh). 4. Turn down heat to minimum and steep for up to 10 minutes. 5. Trun off heat, allow to cool sufficiently to strain. You will want it cool enough to be able to give the cheese cloth, or other cloth, a really good squeeze. If you squeeze enough, the pulp will be dry and peel easily off the cloth, into the bin  6. Drink, sit back, and enjoy.
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: DJ Ed]
#26809954 - 07/07/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Any thoughts on tinctures?
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: openmind]
#26809979 - 07/07/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MindMeower said:
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SFS96 said:That sounds terrible lol try boiling in water with a little lemon juice. You won’t go back.
I'm just wondering what makes it terrible ? I'm one of those people who can eat lemons like oranges, completely not being bothered by sourness and actually enjoying it. Vinegar is much more cheaper (and lasts really long) and just as effective, and just as sour (if not overdone lol) so I don't really see a problem.
I will try boiling though, to see if there's any meaningful difference with dry mushrooms. I know that steeping didn't work with fresh mushrooms and a good amount of funstuff was still left in the solids, resulting in much weaker trip than 47g should have given, something along the lines of 30 grams equivalent...
I’m sure vinegar works fine but most people don’t want to drink vinegar. I know I can’t eat a lemon like a orange and I love sour stuff. Boiling has been proven all over the site to be the best and easiest way to extract the goods. People often trip harder with the way i make tea then when they just eat them.
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SFS96 said: Steeping is the least effective way to make tea. If you want potent tea u need to boil them on the stove for 15-20min. Adding lemon juice when you boil is a good idea also.
I don't find that's necessary. Probably doesn't hurt other than making the "tea" have a stronger flavor, but I use as little heat as needed and it works just fine for me.
I never boil/cook my mushrooms when making a tea.
I'm trying to make a mushroom tea, not a mushroom broth/soup. Boiling/cooking the mushrooms is not necessary for the alkaloids to become soluble in water. The alkaloids are already quite soluble in water as it is, lower the ph a bit with some lemon juice/acid and they're pretty dang soluble in water. One could let mushrooms sit in some cold water/lemon water over night in a refrigerator and it'd work just fine even with out any heat at all.
I let my mushrooms soak in a tiny amount of lemon juice in a cup while I bring some water up to a boil in a pot....as soon as the water in the pot is boiling I take the pot off the stove/heat and then I pour the mushrooms into the pot and put a lid on the pot, then I let it steep/brew for 15 to 30 minutes giving it a stir here & there...Then I filter/press the mushrooms to get all the liquid out of them.
It works well for me, I start coming up within just a minute or two after the first drink.
But to each their own ....I know everyone has their own preferences and ways they like to do things. .
If it works good for you then keep at it Iv seen many people complain about week tea when they steep it and there’s countless reports of people claiming boiling is the best way. As far as stronger taste my tea taste great and almost everyone I give it to don’t notice the mushroom taste. I also make regular tea first them boil the mushrooms in it then add water and honey, it’s pretty nice. I definitely recommend trying if u never have.
The second Tek on this page Mushboy Making Shroom Tea is basically how I prepare mine except I use lemon juice in the boil and add water and honey at the end
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Re: My Tea always seems to not work [Re: brindle foxx]
#26810125 - 07/08/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have made my first tincture during lockdown, but not tried it yet. I’m very hopeful; 27g dry Mazatapec powdered and put in vodka for 6 weeks, then strained and reduced down to 55ml (double boiler). Real easy, and real convenient - it’s just it takes much longer 4ith 40% vodka, then 95% everclear
Good luck DJ Ed
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