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Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing
#26808554 - 07/07/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello friends,
To preface this, prior to this mini personal experiment I'm about to explain below, I've only had one other trip which I posted here back in December of 2019 (1.5 gram in tea). That trip was fascinating and confusing, it was the most at peace I've felt probably in the last 10 years. Since then I've had some micro doses in the 0.2-0.5g range but that's about it.
Recently, I decided it was time again. I had some B+ and golden teachers and decided to try a mini personal experiment. For three weeks, every Friday I took 1.5g lemon tekked. My intent and desire was a combination of both healing and curious exploration of the human mind. I verbally stated my intention each time and meditated for 30 mins before each consumption.
All 3 experiences were extremely similar. No OEV. Some CEV. Psilocybin really makes me bawl my eyes out..lol, it feels very cathartic and I do have some personal shit going on in my life. I never try to stop the tears but I ended up crying during all 3 trips. This doesn't really bother me as it feels like bottled up emotions that my mind and body are letting go of. I also ended up laughing my ass off like a kid at something stupid that I read and it felt great, haven't laughed like that in years. At one point while listening to music, I'm pretty sure I had my first out of body experience because I felt like I essentially became sound and lost all perception of my senses and had no idea where I was (this was very momentary though, only lasting 20-30 seconds).
I'm just curious about the OEVs. At what dose do you guys experience visuals? Where should I go from here? Is 2g too small of an increase of dose (I've yet to have anything more than 1.5g) Also, since I've now dosed every Friday for the past 3 weeks, I assume I should wait a bit to lower my tolerance back down? Any and all guidance is greatly appreciated! Much love.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: reeelax]
#26808664 - 07/07/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice
Sounds like the mushrooms are working nicely for you
Great to hear
Have access to lsd?
Oev for mushrooms is a bit hard to explain for me
If youre searching for a strong visual experience, id suggest lsd if available
Increasing the dose of mushrooms, no way to say how the oev and experience will unfold
I close my eyes at high doses
Strongest oev ive ever had from mushroom or lsd excluding dmt has been on the come down of around 7-12g mushroom after hours of closed eyes lying on the floor
Kinda gets where oev dont matter, youre in something else
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: reeelax]
#26808669 - 07/07/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want to guarantee more OEV's, I think you might need to take closer to 3 or 3.5 dried grams. As for tolerance, the general consensus seems to be that you need to wait two weeks between experiences to reach baseline again.
Another note on OEV's and dosage: every trip is different for me. Most of the time, if I take 2 dried grams or less, I don't experience any OEV's. However, my most recent trip was 2 grams, and I had some very mild OEV's from that - it looked like my closet door was slowly pulsating, but it only lasted for the first few minutes of my trip (I closed my eyes with some music after I noticed things were happening). I'm only mentioning this anecdote to demonstrate that, for some people, mild OEV's are possible at lower dosages.
All of that said, I think you'll have much better chances of OEV's around the 3-3.5 dried gram range.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: Enkidu]
#26808687 - 07/07/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am going to say something completely fabulously weird, and not a word of it is exactly true but the whole of it may mean something in context of OEV.
When we get stoned we create resonance fields around us, and those fields hold fragments of our conscious experiencing so that we can blend the layers of lingering elements amazingly.
If during the time of coming up we are reading, or walking or doing some chores, then, during those busy tasks we push away the folds of those resonance fields from our heads so that we can interact directly with the thing we are doing.
It is as if we have poked our heads out of the enveloping resonance fields while our body is still surrounded with intensified sensations and energy feelings. If we close our eyes we see CEV's but no OEV's.
However, if we are laying around listening to music, then we are allowing the resonance fields to envelop all of our senses, and then OEV will take place naturally.
This is not a true and accurate medical description but it is analogous to what happens.
If I must see OEV's for old time's sake or something, I trip in the evening when it is dark, and I lie down with pillows and no computer or phone and it just happens.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26808692 - 07/07/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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My most recent (first in a long time) experience was with 2 grams dry. Visually my peripheral vision seemed really enhanced with things kind of having a slight fish-bowl effect. I noticed I could "3D" fractal and nature videos just by looking at them in a semi-focused way.
I can tell that I'm not looking for the 5 gram heroic trip of the universe but based on my limited, recent experience, that probably 3 grams dried, maybe 3.5 might bring on more visuals in a fun way.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: Enkidu]
#26808733 - 07/07/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Nice Sounds like the mushrooms are working nicely for you Great to hear Have access to lsd? Oev for mushrooms is a bit hard to explain for me If youre searching for a strong visual experience, id suggest lsd if available Increasing the dose of mushrooms, no way to say how the oev and experience will unfold I close my eyes at high doses Strongest oev ive ever had from mushroom or lsd excluding dmt has been on the come down of around 7-12g mushroom after hours of closed eyes lying on the floor Kinda gets where oev dont matter, youre in something else
They are working really well for me! Thank you. I don't currently have access to LSD but at some point in my life, I definitely want to try. As for visuals, I guess I should clarify that I want to experience both OEV and CEVs. I want to see the beauty in things and I also want to see with the mind's eye. I've had moments afterward during the comedown where I just watched the setting sun's rays hit objects at angles and just admired the beauty, but nothing more than that really. Maybe some waving and pulsating.
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Nonagon Infinity said: If you want to guarantee more OEV's, I think you might need to take closer to 3 or 3.5 dried grams. As for tolerance, the general consensus seems to be that you need to wait two weeks between experiences to reach baseline again.
Another note on OEV's and dosage: every trip is different for me. Most of the time, if I take 2 dried grams or less, I don't experience any OEV's. However, my most recent trip was 2 grams, and I had some very mild OEV's from that - it looked like my closet door was slowly pulsating, but it only lasted for the first few minutes of my trip (I closed my eyes with some music after I noticed things were happening). I'm only mentioning this anecdote to demonstrate that, for some people, mild OEV's are possible at lower dosages.
All of that said, I think you'll have much better chances of OEV's around the 3-3.5 dried gram range.
Thanks for the reply, I've also seen pulsating and waving at 2gs. So I suspect my experience would be similar then. I've for sure wanted (at some point) to try a 3-3.5g dose but I wanted to be in a bit of a better headspace when I do. I'm fairly confident in my mental capacity to take it (I'm not underestimating psilocybin, I have a lot of respect for it) but just want to deal with some things first I guess.
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redgreenvines said: I am going to say something completely fabulously weird, and not a word of it is exactly true but the whole of it may mean something in context of OEV.
When we get stoned we create resonance fields around us, and those fields hold fragments of our conscious experiencing so that we can blend the layers of lingering elements amazingly.
If during the time of coming up we are reading, or walking or doing some chores, then, during those busy tasks we push away the folds of those resonance fields from our heads so that we can interact directly with the thing we are doing.
It is as if we have poked our heads out of the enveloping resonance fields while our body is still surrounded with intensified sensations and energy feelings. If we close our eyes we see CEV's but no OEV's.
However, if we are laying around listening to music, then we are allowing the resonance fields to envelop all of our senses, and then OEV will take place naturally.
This is not a true and accurate medical description but it is analogous to what happens.
If I must see OEV's for old time's sake or something, I trip in the evening when it is dark, and I lie down with pillows and no computer or phone and it just happens.
I just finished reading Terence McKenna's True Hallucinations book so this doesn't seem all that strange right now lol. Although I haven't personally had any such experiences or revelations, I completely understand what you're trying to say. This is likely why Jon Hopkins Uni and McKenna state to take higher doses in dark rooms with your eyes closed.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: reeelax]
#26808741 - 07/07/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you haven’t already tried, then next time when you get fully into the peak, smoke some cannabis. Be careful because it really intensifies things. But if OEVs are possible, the cannabis will bring them out.
And as redgreenvines says, at nighttime.
And for future reference, you will get to a Doseage when OEVs and CEVs are exactly the same. You can’t open your eyes hoping stuff will calm down 
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: reeelax]
#26808803 - 07/07/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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reeelax said: Thanks for the reply, I've also seen pulsating and waving at 2gs. So I suspect my experience would be similar then. I've for sure wanted (at some point) to try a 3-3.5g dose but I wanted to be in a bit of a better headspace when I do. I'm fairly confident in my mental capacity to take it (I'm not underestimating psilocybin, I have a lot of respect for it) but just want to deal with some things first I guess.
It's not a race or anything, so take your time. In my own experience, the OEV's at 3.5 grams can be quite strong. The last time I took that much, shadows that logically shouldn't have been moving were waving around on the walls and there was one point where it looked like I had a 360 degree view of my room. Intense stuff!
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26808933 - 07/07/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive had some strong visuals off more recreational doses, low doses. Some strong off 2g before. Mushrooms are rather inconsistent for me sometimes
I usually never sought anything
Times i did it may have interfered but who knows
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: reeelax]
#26809027 - 07/07/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try 4 dry grams.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: Enkidu]
#26810712 - 07/08/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: If you haven’t already tried, then next time when you get fully into the peak, smoke some cannabis. Be careful because it really intensifies things. But if OEVs are possible, the cannabis will bring them out.
And as redgreenvines says, at nighttime.
And for future reference, you will get to a Doseage when OEVs and CEVs are exactly the same. You can’t open your eyes hoping stuff will calm down 
Take care DJ Ed
I've only had cannabis during the come down and usually many hours after initial ingestion (talking like 4 or 5 hours). I recall one instance where I thought most of the psilocybin effects had worn off, hit a small bowl while I had some music playing and I had to go take a seat because it put my back into a serious headspace with CEVs. I've never tried during the peak but will have to next time!
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reeelax said: Thanks for the reply, I've also seen pulsating and waving at 2gs. So I suspect my experience would be similar then. I've for sure wanted (at some point) to try a 3-3.5g dose but I wanted to be in a bit of a better headspace when I do. I'm fairly confident in my mental capacity to take it (I'm not underestimating psilocybin, I have a lot of respect for it) but just want to deal with some things first I guess.
It's not a race or anything, so take your time. In my own experience, the OEV's at 3.5 grams can be quite strong. The last time I took that much, shadows that logically shouldn't have been moving were waving around on the walls and there was one point where it looked like I had a 360 degree view of my room. Intense stuff!
That sounds super intense, whoa.
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Enkidu said: Ive had some strong visuals off more recreational doses, low doses. Some strong off 2g before. Mushrooms are rather inconsistent for me sometimes
I usually never sought anything
Times i did it may have interfered but who knows
I try not to drive or direct the trip either, but I also can't help but constantly scan my perception to see if anything is being altered or not..if that makes sense.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: reeelax]
#26810722 - 07/08/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just take it slowly.
I always used to follow McKenna’s “method”. Roll up 3 joints beforehand. Take the mushrooms; as soon as you feel them, smoke the first joint. The next two would not then be needed until the peak was starting to wane. But each one would bring back the peak for up to an hour.
I’ve somehow become real sensitive, fter years of this, so have to be very careful these days 
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: DJ Ed]
#26810788 - 07/08/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah smokong some good ganj can add a lot to the experience.
I too would usually go for early on, sometimes at like 30 min mark or so, then after the peak and into the morning and sleep
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: Enkidu]
#26810940 - 07/08/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always do a little bit in the beginning to cure any stomach discomfort and calm down during the comeup. Sometimes I do things during the peak to get more out of the experience since the effects are immediate and profound and I always do stuff on the 3...4th hour to kick things back in action, getting most out the experience.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: MindMeower]
#26810957 - 07/08/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you are quite new to shrooms just take it easy! I wouldn't recommend smoking weed if thats not what you do anyway.
Best way is to build yourself up, slow and steady. 2g is fine ... see how you get on. Be careful if you have 'personal shit' going on in your life. Try to have no expectations and try to get nowhere.
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Re: Questions about some recent experiences and guidance on future dosing [Re: noodles-uk]
#26811046 - 07/08/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: Just take it slowly.
I always used to follow McKenna’s “method”. Roll up 3 joints beforehand. Take the mushrooms; as soon as you feel them, smoke the first joint. The next two would not then be needed until the peak was starting to wane. But each one would bring back the peak for up to an hour.
I’ve somehow become real sensitive, fter years of this, so have to be very careful these days 
Take care DJ Ed
Hey interesting, I didn't know about this method by McKenna. I saw some of his talks on youtube and he suggested smoking some js but there were no specifications. Good to know!
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Yeah smokong some good ganj can add a lot to the experience.
I too would usually go for early on, sometimes at like 30 min mark or so, then after the peak and into the morning and sleep
Sle....sleep? What is this.."sleep" you speak of?
I kid, psilocybin seems to destroy any desire I have to eat and sleep and I usually end up staying awake into the early mornings and have seen the sun rise again on several occasions.
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MindMeower said: I always do a little bit in the beginning to cure any stomach discomfort and calm down during the comeup. Sometimes I do things during the peak to get more out of the experience since the effects are immediate and profound and I always do stuff on the 3...4th hour to kick things back in action, getting most out the experience.
I also wanted to try it for nausea that I had read so much about, but all 4 of my experiences have have little to no nausea. Maybe I have an iron stomach but I've been ok so far. I shall definitely use it during the experience though!
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noodles-uk said: If you are quite new to shrooms just take it easy! I wouldn't recommend smoking weed if thats not what you do anyway.
Best way is to build yourself up, slow and steady. 2g is fine ... see how you get on. Be careful if you have 'personal shit' going on in your life. Try to have no expectations and try to get nowhere.
Thanks for the kind words. I'm fairly experienced with cannabis but wanted to experience mushrooms in and by themselves first. To have a true experience and see what it felt like. Now with a handful of experiences, I think I have somewhat of a idea, so will considering combining.
P.S. your avatar is a very accurate depiction of how I felt on my previous experience.
Edited by reeelax (07/08/20 02:00 PM)
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