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What about a sliding scale of income v subsidised services instead of a straight across the board rise in wages. Things like childcare, healthcare, medicines, public transport, electricity/gas, rent, access to low % loans to buy a reliable new car. When people earn more they get less % of assistance, but not in a way that encourages them staying at the bottom. Welfare set as the minimum wage.
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I'd be cool with that.
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When the minimum wage is too high you get the baby boomer generation that made enough to buy a home working as a janitor.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26812703 - 07/09/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: When the minimum wage is too high you get the baby boomer generation that made enough to buy a home working as a janitor.
So janitors shouldn’t be able to afford homes?
As far as welfare vs wages, I’d be fine with wages being stagnant if our government adopted universal healthcare/tuition/childcare/transportation programs, provided the wealthy are the ones being taxed to fund it. As it stands now, the rich have managed to cut our wages while simultaneously increasing our share of the tax burden that goes to fund the programs that we wouldn’t need if they never cut our wages.
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The Ecstatic said: So janitors shouldn’t be able to afford homes?
That's how I read it.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Asante]
#26812735 - 07/09/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Minimum wage correcting for inflation isn't just a given, its a right. America seems to overlook this.
What do you base this belief on?
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Enlil]
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With all that said, The Federal Min Wage is not an accurate monetary amount, and has not depicted what a "minimum wage" looks like, for quite sometime. I would scrap the whole idea, and look for something better.
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The Ecstatic said: So janitors shouldn’t be able to afford homes?
That's how I read it.

Apartments exist for a reason.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: bodhisatta]
#26813651 - 07/09/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Apartments exist for a reason.
To keep the poor from building equity in their home like wealthier people can? To ensure their money goes to someone rich enough to afford an entire apartment complex?
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Asante]
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Should minimum wage stay put, be raised or should basic income for all be realized?
A higher wage isn't just given, it's earned. People seem to overlook this.
Minimum wage correcting for inflation isn't just a given, its a right. America seems to overlook this.
I don't know, that kind of seems like quite a stretch to me. It wouldn't hurt to bump up minimum wage a little, I think maybe between $11 - $13 an hour, definitely not $20 an hour though. And that's not because I want someone to be poor, so don't even start with that.
Some jobs only have a limited value and are only meant to be supplemental income. I don't believe that someone should be able to take the lazy man approach to life and make a career being a newspaper delivery boy or folding tacos at Taco Bell.
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MightyWhite said: A higher wage isn't just given, it's earned. People seem to overlook this. By starting at a high wage, it takes away the incentive to be more productive or advance.
So you're saying people who earn their companies more than their minimum wage co-workers won't get paid more? Of course they would.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not sure how you come up with that. I'm pretty much saying the complete opposite, why should someone with little or no experience be paid just as well as someone who does have skills and experience?
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: MightyWhite] 1
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MightyWhite said: I'm pretty much saying the complete opposite, why should someone with little or no experience be paid just as well as someone who does have skills and experience?
They shouldn't and they wouldn't. They'd get paid more than minimum wage. So a minimum wage not only helps those at the bottom, it also helps those that are better than those at the bottom. It may end up costing business owners a bit more, but there's an argument to be made that putting more money into the hands of more people will help business owners sell more product.
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Wage increases help everybody somewhat above them (and below them). Target just made their minimum wage $15. Amazon's minimum wage for day shift is $15. That has to go up, because working at Target is much easier, less stressful and physically demanding.
When they screwed/eliminated most of the unions it had a negative effect on many nonunion workers. Although union people made more, they had to pay people of similar skills at least 60-70% as much. When they made things worse for the union people/former union people it hurt the nonunion workers as well.
People who have those craft skills, remodeling etc. always have a chance to make good money working for them selves, but there are a lot of extra complications. Besides the other management skills that are involved, I have several friends who are in trouble for taxes, trouble that is going to take many years to go away. Union people don't have to worry about that. They work side jobs on the weekend, pay taxes on whatever gets paid by check, don't pay taxes on the cash jobs, and the IRS questions nothing, because they're paying a bunch of taxes.
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bodhisatta said: Apartments exist for a reason.
To keep the poor from building equity in their home like wealthier people can? To ensure their money goes to someone rich enough to afford an entire apartment complex?
A home comes with a chunk of land and a lot of responsibility. You really shouldn't be tasked with the responsibility of that caliber if you're resume doesn't match. People that make a janitors job possible by running a company and providing jobs are good candidates for all that comes with owning land and a home.
The economy and society find a way to balance themselves naturally despite any laws and regulations. Apartments exist for a reason.
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The Ecstatic said: So janitors shouldn’t be able to afford homes?
That's how I read it.

Apartments exist for a reason.
For landlords to profit
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I think it’s because in populated areas the only way to build is up .
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Psilynut2]
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And yet people still own homes in those places
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