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The Minimum Wage Machine
#26808297 - 07/07/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Should minimum wage stay put, be raised or should basic income for all be realized?
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Asante]
#26808471 - 07/07/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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And yet, people flock from other countires for the opportunity to turn the crank.....dont disagree with the machine's premise, but it leaves out a large swath of countries that dont even have a crank. IMO, allot of these countries have been exporting thier poverty to the USA....... which we gladly accept the cheap labor.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: SirTripAlot] 2
#26808647 - 07/07/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Raise it to $20 an hour and provide UBI.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: SirTripAlot] 2
#26808670 - 07/07/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: And yet, people flock from other countires for the opportunity to turn the crank.....dont disagree with the machine's premise, but it leaves out a large swath of countries that dont even have a crank. IMO, allot of these countries have been exporting thier poverty to the USA....... which we gladly accept the cheap labor.
The Elite gladly accept the cheap labor and the poverty that results from immigration.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Asante]
#26808672 - 07/07/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol thats assuming that a minimum wage job is as useless as turning a crank
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that's not at all what the piece is saying
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Enlil] 1
#26808804 - 07/07/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Minimum wage exists for 16 year olds.
If you're still making minimum as an adult, you haven't developed any actual life skills, so go stop playing video games and learn a talent.
Edited by Vahn421 (07/07/20 11:01 AM)
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26809060 - 07/07/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Minimum wage exists for 16 year olds.
If you're still making minimum as an adult, you haven't developed any actual life skills, so go stop playing video games and learn a talent.
What an ignorant statement.
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Also: all labor is skilled labor
Also: when you say that the minimum wage shouldn’t be enough to support remaining alive, what you’re saying is that some folks who work jobs that are necessary for our society to function simply don’t deserve to exist.
You’re probably the same dude who rails against these people using social programs, since their employers won’t pay them a livable wage.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Vahn421]
#26809093 - 07/07/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Minimum wage exists for 16 year olds.
If you're still making minimum as an adult, you haven't developed any actual life skills, so go stop playing video games and learn a talent.
Many people only make 10-20% more than the minimum wage, what's the reason for that outcome? You do realize there's only so much need for educated and highly skilled labor? What's your solution for dealing with the tens of millions that work low skilled jobs?
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: qman]
#26809103 - 07/07/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It’s simple: they deserve to live in abject poverty for as long as they can muster.
It’s economics 101 here folks!
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: qman]
#26809127 - 07/07/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said:
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Vahn421 said: Minimum wage exists for 16 year olds.
If you're still making minimum as an adult, you haven't developed any actual life skills, so go stop playing video games and learn a talent.
Many people only make 10-20% more than the minimum wage, what's the reason for that outcome? You do realize there's only so much need for educated and highly skilled labor? What's your solution for dealing with the tens of millions that work low skilled jobs?
Change your life habits. No one is going to save you but you.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26809184 - 07/07/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said:
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qman said:
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Vahn421 said: Minimum wage exists for 16 year olds.
If you're still making minimum as an adult, you haven't developed any actual life skills, so go stop playing video games and learn a talent.
Many people only make 10-20% more than the minimum wage, what's the reason for that outcome? You do realize there's only so much need for educated and highly skilled labor? What's your solution for dealing with the tens of millions that work low skilled jobs?
Change your life habits. No one is going to save you but you.
So you won't answer the question. What are tens of millions of workers going to do? How can they save themselves exactly?
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: qman]
#26809285 - 07/07/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said:
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Vahn421 said:
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qman said:
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Vahn421 said: Minimum wage exists for 16 year olds.
If you're still making minimum as an adult, you haven't developed any actual life skills, so go stop playing video games and learn a talent.
Many people only make 10-20% more than the minimum wage, what's the reason for that outcome? You do realize there's only so much need for educated and highly skilled labor? What's your solution for dealing with the tens of millions that work low skilled jobs?
Change your life habits. No one is going to save you but you.
So you won't answer the question. What are tens of millions of workers going to do? How can they save themselves exactly?
Answering the question in detail is far too complex of a task. It requires America as a collective to change their dietary habits, start talking to their neighbor again to learn local cooperation, reconciling with strained family ties in order to take care of one another, (which is another way of saying subduing your damn ego), being well informed enough to vote properly to make sure the right politicians who won't fuck you over get placed into office, not being a fucking moron with your penis (or vagina) so you don't wind up having to take care of kids you can't afford, spending money on useful things rather than useless things so the economy produces more of them and choosing not to waste your time when you're younger in life so that you wont wind up as a 35 year old loser working fast food. You could have been so much more. The fact you don't think so means I think more highly of you than you do. (A general "you" not directed at anyone.)
I could mention so much more, but it all sums down to: Change your life habits.
Also, for what it's worth, a "rich" man living in the 1500's didn't even have hot running water, whereas our poorest DO. It's also clean.
Wealth is relative. When you get handed so many things for free for so long, we tend to forget.
The poorest among us are richer in some ways than the upper class was 500 years ago.
The funniest thing I find about this thread is that if psychedelics have taught us anything, it ought to be that no one can save you but yourself and money is an illusion. Your vibration will attract the like. This isn't any different in the workforce.
Get caught up in thoughts about minimum wage, attract minimum wage.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Vahn421]
#26809324 - 07/07/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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[Vahn421 said:
Answering the question in detail is far too complex of a task. It requires America as a collective to change their dietary habits, start talking to their neighbor again to learn local cooperation, reconciling with strained family ties in order to take care of one another, (which is another way of saying subduing your damn ego), being well informed enough to vote properly to make sure the right politicians who won't fuck you over get placed into office, not being a fucking moron with your penis (or vagina) so you don't wind up having to take care of kids you can't afford, spending money on useful things rather than useless things so the economy produces more of them and choosing not to waste your time when you're younger in life so that you wont wind up as a 35 year old loser working fast food. You could have been so much more. The fact you don't think so means I think more highly of you than you do. (A general "you" not directed at anyone.)
I could mention so much more, but it all sums down to: Change your life habits.
Also, for what it's worth, a "rich" man living in the 1500's didn't even have hot running water, whereas our poorest DO. It's also clean.
Wealth is relative. When you get handed so many things for free for so long, we tend to forget.
The poorest among us are richer in some ways than the upper class was 500 years ago.
The funniest thing I find about this thread is that if psychedelics have taught us anything, it ought to be that no one can save you but yourself and money is an illusion. Your vibration will attract the like. This isn't any different in the workforce.
Get caught up in thoughts about minimum wage, attract minimum wage.
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I employee people in America. Federal minimum is 7.25 and my state doesn't set it higher. We start people at no less than 9.25 just to get people who can actually count to ten and tie their own shoes. Even with the people we get for 9.25 I could make a very compelling argument that minimum wage should be lowered. Forget their job every day. Can't put numbered items away in the correct order. Part numbers are 5 digits or less. Some people can't even handle a fast food job. Never will either. There's people that fuck uo McDonald's orders every time. Should they get a living wage? If they need their hand held to exist but are otherwise completely able bodied mentally and physically then I say no.
I'd rather give UBI to people who are disabled and can't work before raising the minimum wage on people who can work but can't handle the easiest tasks in the world.
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The Ecstatic said:
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Vahn421 said: Minimum wage exists for 16 year olds.
If you're still making minimum as an adult, you haven't developed any actual life skills, so go stop playing video games and learn a talent.
What an ignorant statement.

Not ignorant at all. Those 35 year olds suck. They're the kind of people that quit day one because putting bottles in a box and then onto a pallet is too hard. Meanwhile people who don't speak English that are twice that age happily do it. I can afford to give those people raises because the 35 year old deadbeat fuck gets the floor wage.
You ask most people that make 7.25 if they want to have more responsibilities at work and they say NO
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: bodhisatta]
#26809347 - 07/07/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A living wage is relative. 3 people making $8 an hour working 40 hours a week is still a 4K monthly household. You can cooperate and live well in a nice 2 bedroom apartment. The problem is, people are bad at cooperating. At least white people are. My Mexican friends did it, no problem... and they're way successful now.
Another problem is everyone wants to live alone in a $1400 monthly 3 bedroom condo before developing the life skills necessary to push them into place where they deserve it.
Now don't get me wrong. Housing markets are outrageous right now, but hiking the minimum wage is just going to once again raise the cost of living. It always does. There are better solutions. (And no perfect one.)
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: Vahn421]
#26809351 - 07/07/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude all the Mexican friends I have do better than me with half the money. It's outrageous how extremely efficient and resourceful their society is in the American cultural realm.
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Re: The Minimum Wage Machine [Re: bodhisatta]
#26809361 - 07/07/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Dude all the Mexican friends I have do better than me with half the money. It's outrageous how extremely efficient and resourceful their society is in the American cultural realm.
It's because their *relative* perspective is different than us spoiled American brats who think we're OWED everything.
And they are far less wasteful and excellent at penny pinching.
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Edited by Vahn421 (07/07/20 03:54 PM)
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