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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: Koala]
#26778344 - 06/24/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I had the whole thing in open air the night and it had an effect on the caps after misting: 
So the caps cracked a bit some of the largest ones. I could set up the tub on top with air gaps underneath, but that would need some modifications because the gaps are not sufficient for air exchange as is. I am just going to fruit this thing in open air and after the flush I will make some mods to get FAE. In hindsight it might have been smart to just modify for FAE from the start with the tub on top.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26778477 - 06/24/20 06:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is no good. The shrooms are drying too much because the air is very hot and dry. I put the tub back on and misted all round. Do not try this , well maybe in a humid climate...
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: InnerWisdom] 1
#26778503 - 06/24/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So can I point out that a liner is not a crutch in any way shape or form. Who ever gave you that opinion probably got bad information from someone else. Some of the best Cultivators I know use liners. Easy to install easy to harvest. Easy to trash the spent sub.
You getting side and bottom pins because that is the area with the best micro climate. When you get really good at dialing in surface conditions you will see more canopy's and less side and bottom pins.
Keep going,! Looking good so far.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: Sockadin]
#26778684 - 06/24/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright lemme ask this: I have a new shoebox with 1:1 ratio and no top layer, so there are lots of grains on the top. How will this do? should I add top layer or will that result in sidepins like this one too? Same box btw. Didn't do the liner this time either..  But next box I will do that to compare with these
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26778774 - 06/24/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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To be clear I don't use liners in shoeboxes cause they fruit and then toss after a couple of flushes and it is easier to harvest that a full mono.
Also if you put it into fruiting a couple of days after going bulk you will produce less side pins.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: Sockadin]
#26778809 - 06/24/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Roger that.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: InnerWisdom] 1
#26778831 - 06/24/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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After the first flush if I don't just toss it or get a poor WW on the first flush, I just pop the sub out and set it on its side in a 16 or 24 quart tub or in the same tub. Then I put enough water on the bottom so it touches the myc so it can transport it through the sub as needed, put the cover on latched and walk away. After three days I put that latches snapped in with the lid resting on top. Sometimes ill break up larger subs if they don't fit or need tubs for new spawn. I get 1-3 more small to fair flushes till the green exploits the weakness. Don't have to get to fancy, put on side, bottom water mist once, leave for a couple days and just mist if it's getting dry to the touch on the top. Bonus mushrooms IMO if your pulling 300+ WW off the first flush of a shoebox.
  
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
#26778873 - 06/24/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Neat
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26779140 - 06/24/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks, working on my first shoebox tubs now. First ones only had a few on the side. Now i see a new one has a large pin set on the side and was wondering about flipping it over.
Think i will flip it over and place on top lid and leave it upside down like Innerwisdom has done
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: C12ShroomMan]
#26779265 - 06/24/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Check out the SFF shoe box thread. If you make them correctly with slightly drier bulk and then heavily mist the top layer you should have minimal side pins if any without having to mist or do anything at all until harvesting the first flush. The latching sterilite SB are the best for this I think.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26779337 - 06/24/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Roger Clemency said: Check out the SFF shoe box thread. If you make them correctly with slightly drier bulk and then heavily mist the top layer you should have minimal side pins if any without having to mist or do anything at all until harvesting the first flush. The latching sterilite SB are the best for this I think.
Thanks, I guess i made my tubs a bit too wet and misting because it seemed like it helped them grow. Spotty harvests, not many pinsets. Next tub i do will be a lot dryer
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: C12ShroomMan]
#26807183 - 07/06/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Omg.. so beginner mistake.. I was checking out the website daily for replies, and totally missed the part that there was already a second page added
So Rip zappa thanks for your message.. This is actually exactly what I was talking about! Good to see this not such a bad idea at all! 
Rochadin also thanks for your contribution! Gives me a better feeling for using a liner
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26807197 - 07/06/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the update Innerwisdom! I hope you are finding some way to get your setting dialed in. I am still working on mine:)
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: Koala]
#26807226 - 07/06/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It’s weird how side and bottom pins sometimes come in enormous clusters.
I usually take the sub out and put it in a humidity chamber.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: A.k.a]
#26808093 - 07/06/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just got a new set of bottom pins and less side pins so I flipped the sub on that shoebox. Bottom pins are the worst.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26808767 - 07/07/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, especially because you have to sacrifice the pins on top when you flip the substrate, to give bottom pins more room to grow.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: Koala]
#26808773 - 07/07/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is awesome. Following. Really Interested in your grow setup. It looks temp controlled and would love more info
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: A.k.a]
#26808783 - 07/07/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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For now I can only hope, that someday I will achieve grows like yours..
So a bit unrelated, but maybe you can help me.. I am using unmodified tubs. Bod says, that you almost never or maybe once a day have to mist. Before you have pins or mushrooms the only way of telling you've got fae, is by drying out of the substrate, right? So how do I know the difference between an unmodified tub that is dailed in properly, or one which doesn't get enough FAE? Because Ive got water droplets on the surface and the lid lays on the tub upside down. It doesn't dries out, and it takes quite long to for pins. How do I know if my fae is up to par?
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: Koala]
#26808923 - 07/07/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I’ve only run tubs with snap on lids without rubber seals. Shoeboxes, sweaterboxes and underbeds.
Basically if there’s no air tight seal you’ll be fine as long as you’ve got air moving around the growroom. I have really low humidity so leaving the lid on is usually perfect but some people flip the lid and some people have to flip it and turn it a little so the gaps are bigger.
Pins can take a while, as long as the surface looks ok I wouldn’t worry unless it’s been like three weeks.
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Re: Flipping substrate because of bottom and side pins TEST [Re: A.k.a]
#26810019 - 07/07/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you for the reply A.k.a
Exactly the answer I needed, so I know the tubs are doing fine. This morning I saw the first pins popping up! so I will leave the lids on for now, until the caps reach the lids:) (I also only use boxes with loose fitting lids)
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