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First grow - 2nd flush help
    #26807684 - 07/06/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Howdy folks,

I've been lurking for a while and recently decided to try my hand at growing some Golden Teachers from MSS. I'm using  "broke boi tek" (using whole brown rice, shaking, spawning to coir, using bod's unmodified mono tek) and have had decent success so far.

My first flush was short and fat, but looked fairly normal otherwise. Despite harvesting a number of pins early, I ended up with 22g dry. For future reference, can I leave the small pins alone if I'm going to dunk?

So onto the issue at hand... my 2nd flush is looking rather gross. I'm not sure if I'm dealing with a contam, mutation, or just screwing up misting + FAE?

Some of the issues I'm seeing:
  • a few with veils torn open on one side
  • one that is discolored and has cracks on the top
  • one with a white indent/discoloration on top
  • a few that have a weird yellow/green coloration on the cap,
  • a few that look completely normal but already have veils broken and are really small
  • a lot less fruits/pins this go around



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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Dumb_Ai]
    #26807692 - 07/06/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Some pics right after a misting:









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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Dumb_Ai] * 1
    #26807723 - 07/06/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty sure they just have too much moisture. Although there could be more going on... I do know that the dark colour and the strange wavy shape of the caps is caused by excess water on the caps. I'd try increasing FAE (which will increase evaporation from the surface causing them to be less wet) and maybe less misting if you're doing that quite frequently.

I don't see any contamination but I haven't dealt with enough contamination to say for sure that there isn't any. How often are you misting?


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26807760 - 07/06/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, gotcha. I kind of figured too much moisture was part of it.

I dunked for 3-4 hours after the first flush, and have been misting 2-3 times a day usually. I was aiming for small droplets on the surface.

I've read that with larger tubs, the mycelium will generate enough heat to cause those droplets to form. Not sure if using a smaller tub is part of the problem too.

Can I stop misting for a day or two? Or should I continue to mist, but increase FAE?


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Dumb_Ai]
    #26807915 - 07/06/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Great Start! Getting a fully colonized tub with no apparent contams is excellent progress!

TLDR: stop misting for two days and get more FAE.

Definitely a lack of FAE and too much moisture. Are you using the Easy AF Harvest Tek too or just cutting them down? Is the tub elevated off the ground? Side pins and bottom pins are probably due to light but you don’t need to paint the bottom of the tub black or anything.

Also, make sure that the lid is upside down to get proper air circulation. I’ve had a MSS tub in a completely still air room and it didn’t get enough air circulation and never pinned (among other variables). After I added a 10” fan in another part of the room it was enough to get air circulation to the tub.

When you squeeze the fruits are they hollow? Fruits that get good FAE will be solid all the way through. In your very first picture you have doughnut shaped stumps, which leads me to think your fruits are hollow.


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Scheffie3]
    #26808808 - 07/07/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Scheffie3 said:
When you squeeze the fruits are they hollow? Fruits that get good FAE will be solid all the way through. In your very first picture you have doughnut shaped stumps, which leads me to think your fruits are hollow.




Sometimes hollow fruits can just be genetics as well - B+ for example is especially prone to hollow stems resulting from genetic variance. In this case however it does appear to be due to the moisture & FAE


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26809108 - 07/07/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hollow fruits usually means too hot temps.

Multiple mutants can be genetics but usually caused by a contamination present in the substrate somewhere.

They look very hot and humid to me.  Stop misting if this is a mono with 6 holes. There’s no point and I believe that would be causing bacteria more so than anything else. If you do open lid monos then disregard that. Look at the myc, is it slimy if so, it’s likely bacterial.

Just seen it’s unmodded so maybe the misting is fine but you only want the slightest gleam of water droplets on the myc. Still appears too wet and hot to me.

Also if you’re having trouble with the unmodded tub, try doing the normal mono tub with 6 holes. 2 on sides just above substrate line on long side and 1 on each of the short sides at the top. Not sure on hole size. I made mine years ago and haven’t made more since lol I don’t know if this needs said but I’m assuming you’re doing unmodded and a lid. If you’re doing unmodded they need FAE somehow so you will need to leave the lid off or cracked partially by flipping the top. In a modded mono tub you use the lid snapped on and have the holes that provide passive FAE and I’ve never had to mist any of my monos done this way.


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Scheffie3]
    #26809211 - 07/07/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks!

I attempted the Easy AF Harvest Tek, but probably could have cut a lot closer to the surface. For the smaller pins, I twisted off.

The tub is sitting on a bench about 2 feet off the ground and I have an LED grow light sitting 1-2 inches above the lid. But the overhead lights in my house are hitting the tub on the sides, I can try turning those off.

I flipped the lid last night and it's already looking a bit better. The veils on the larger fruits are tearing, so going to harvest tonight. I don't think I'll soak this time though

Yeah, they were pretty hollow and I can already tell that these are as well. I'll keep the FAE up during the 3rd flush and see if that fixes it


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26809221 - 07/07/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ah, gotcha. I have another identical tub, I'll definitely try modifying that one. I was worried the lid was too loose when upside down, so I was leaving it on right side up just angled slightly to let the slightest amount of air in/out. But seems like I might have to add holes for these particular tubs.  Thanks for the help!


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Dumb_Ai]
    #26809239 - 07/07/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I hope everything goes better for you and you get something nice out of what you have going 👍. The more you learn the more you improve. Just keep at it. We all experience set backs in this hobby. Luckily yours doesn’t seem to be terrible :smile: but I sincerely hope it all works out for ya.


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26809403 - 07/07/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For me hollow fruits come from a soggy substrate. The Pics look like everything is soaked, caps deforming from water droplets forming on the lid and falling down.
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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: DeckardCain]
    #26809484 - 07/07/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Water droplets from the lid would evaporate if it has enough FAE those droplets are from lack of fresh air if ya ask me. If you had better FAE and didn’t mist as much it would evaporate over time which is a good thing. The sub only needs Tiny almost invisible to the eye water droplets being evaporated within the myc in order for the tub to perform well. I never ever mist my tubs and they do great. I also have enough FAE that evaporates water that does buildup when the condensation starts building up due to the canopy of mushies lol


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26809892 - 07/07/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If you do the Easy AF Harvest Tek then you don’t necessarily need to dunk because by filling the bin with water and draining all the water you are basically dunking the sub. Sometimes my sub will be a bit dehydrated in the middle, so I’ll mist it but not soak it. I like to put a 6” piece of tube in one of the corners when I’m putting the sub in the tub. When it’s time to harvest I’ll take out the 6” piece out and run the hose for filling the tub to the bottom. Makes EAFH Tek just a little easier.

It’s good to have the Tub a little off the floor. A lot of contams are within 1 foot of the ground.

With the unmodded tek you can have the lid flipped from the minute you put the substrate in the tub. I really only mist the first week or when it looks dehydrated.When I see pins start to form I case with Verm and Peat Moss 50/50 mix. After that I only “dunk”. You can probably go without misting from here on out, unless you live in an extremely arid climate.

Hope some of this is helpful. It’s nice just to share my experiences.


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Re: First grow - 2nd flush help [Re: Scheffie3]
    #26809903 - 07/07/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Water logged. I quit dunking after the first flush cuz of this,  now I just mist it heavily once after harvest and then dunk after the second flush.


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    #26809966 - 07/07/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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