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OfflineMrDave
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Does depression "dull" the experience?
    #26806446 - 07/06/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I started this whole magic mushroom adventure a few months ago to see how it might help with my depression (which can get thick at times).

Anyway, I've done mushies before in my youth for fun so I'm not new to the experience.

Having said that, I picked 30 grams wet of either Golden Teacher or B+ (I lost track) yesterday morning, got to cracker dry 3 grams by evening. I put two grams into some lemon juice (I did it originally to mask the taste, later I find that it's a "tek") and belted it down. Well, I got a nice buzz that based on generic descriptions is what I would have expected doing just 1 gram.

So is there anything to my feeling that depression partially blocks the effect or that experiences are more "complete" with no depression vs someone with heavy depression?

My plan is to start doing micro dosing but I feel like I need a good "breakthrough" experience.

I will say that the experience was wonderful (just not enough) and I feel better this morning than I have in a good while. I'm hopeful that some good trips now and then combined with judicious microdosing will help.

So anyway, 3 grams of dry seems like a lot based on generic descriptions but maybe for me, that's what it takes to get a 2 gram buzz since my 2 grams gave me a 1 gram buzz?


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: MrDave]
    #26806495 - 07/06/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mind set, in general, plays a vital role in the experience. And while depression can diminish an experience (if a person resists the experience, etc), I don't think it plays a major role for most people.

Is your grow multispore (from a syringe)? MS (multispore) grows vary in potency and thus, 2g can be weak while the next time you take 1g it can be twice as strong. Genetics vary and that is the price you pay growing MS.

However, 2g of "average" strength cubes is, for most people, not nearly enough for a "break-through" experience. If you want a stronger experience, dose higher. What I've found is that 3.5g and above is where the stronger experiences start. But, of course, the possibility of bad trips is also increased dramatically at this dose. And you need to find techniques that can help you navigate should things get hairy at higher doses.

Ultimately, unless you are on medications that interferes with mushrooms, I think you need a higher dose to get to where you want to be. Wait 2+ weeks to ensure tolerance recedes and go for 3 or 3.5g.


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26806561 - 07/06/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for your reply. I'm at the beginning stages of growing these things so I'm doing the syringe/brf cakes for now. You bring up an interesting item that I hadn't thought of. That there needs to be time between trips.

Anyway, my experience at 2 grams was wonderful, 100% positive, just maybe 1 gram short of the level I was looking for. I'll take your good advice, wait a bit and then try 3 grams dried.


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: MrDave]
    #26806586 - 07/06/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need to wait the two weeks. You only took a small dose. You can give a go in a week or sooner. But you seem to be looking for an experience so you should go a little higher on dose. Have fun be safe.


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26806672 - 07/06/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You don't need to wait the two weeks. You only took a small dose. You can give a go in a week or sooner. But you seem to be looking for an experience so you should go a little higher on dose. Have fun be safe.




I have "fun" and "safe" as top priorities as I get the lay of the land in terms of what works best for me. So cool to have a forum for all this. Thanks!


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: MrDave]
    #26806718 - 07/06/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey OP,

You haven’t said whether or not you are also taking SSRIs to treat your depression. Because they WILL dull the mushroom experience down significantly.

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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26806834 - 07/06/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey OP,

You haven’t said whether or not you are also taking SSRIs to treat your depression. Because they WILL dull the mushroom experience down significantly.

Take care
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I haven’t taken anything for a few years now. Nothing ever worked and just made me jittery and feeling a bit manic.

It was just a feeling or maybe even a “trip thought”. I have to say that even though I  felt like I was maybe a gram short of what would be the perfect experience for me, the experience that I did have was wonderful. Today I feel better than I have in a long time 👍


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: MrDave]
    #26806868 - 07/06/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome. When I can conveniently trip quite regularly, I find the after glow lasts until my next trip. Haven’t tripped properly in months now because of lockdown...

You’ll find a sweet spot dose where you can reliably treat your depression. And it gets easier, and heals more, the more you do this :thumbup:


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26806880 - 07/06/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The lockdown is the time for trips. Why not trip?


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26806921 - 07/06/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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DJ Ed said:
Awesome. When I can conveniently trip quite regularly, I find the after glow lasts until my next trip. Haven’t tripped properly in months now because of lockdown...

You’ll find a sweet spot dose where you can reliably treat your depression. And it gets easier, and heals more, the more you do this :thumbup:




I am feeling like that's where this all is headed and that's pretty nice


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: MrDave]
    #26806928 - 07/06/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I found my dose range for depression/anxiety  is at least 4g. Anything less is just a light show for me. I like to get past the visual snow of colors.


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26807304 - 07/06/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I did try at the start, and everyone went downhill, until the last was my first bad trip in over 30 years! I mean proper bad trip, not just intense and unrewarding. So it’s been over 6 weeks now. It’s not hurting me not to trip, it’s more a yearning for the headspace. As soon as I feel comfortable my daughter is engaged for the night, I’ll be taking a dose :thumbup:

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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: MrDave]
    #26807449 - 07/06/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No, depression does not normally dull the experience in any way. I also recommend 3.5-5 grams, starting with 3.5 grams.


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: nooneman]
    #26807456 - 07/06/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Now, I've been trying to self-medicate depression with Shrooms for about 3 years now. Was making progress, but my last two trips have made me seriously depressed.

Feels like any and all progress has been erased and that the shrooms are amplifying my depression.

Make sure to take breaks, and try and actually fix the underlying problem instead of thinking the mushes just make everything better.

It's obvious to myself I need to fix a few things in my life and not just eat mush as an anti-depressant.

That being said, they are amazing tools and you will find the correct path towards happiness, it's just not a quick-fix.


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: oculodextro]
    #26807661 - 07/06/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms allow me to manage severe clinical depression, but they do nothing on their own. They offer new perspectives and unique information filters, but those are just tools. You need to apply those tools to issues that require examination.

That said, different types of therapy sessions require different dosages. For me, anything below 3g is purely maintenance. Anywhere between 4-7g is what I’ll go for if I’m looking for a “breakthrough” as it provides a large punch during peak. The rare occasion when I feel the need for ego death, I would start at 10g and go where it leads. Again, these amounts are for me and I’m just using them here to illustrate my point. You should progress slowly and see what works for you.


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: Phrontist]
    #26807726 - 07/06/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Didnt read all the other replies but fuck no being depressed does NOT prevent a full on blast into the spirit realm psychedelic experience

Different (or same) doses at dif times in different places may result in different experiences

It was what it was for whatever reason

If it felt lacking, try more of the same batch

What do you want to experience ?


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26808464 - 07/07/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Didnt read all the other replies but fuck no being depressed does NOT prevent a full on blast into the spirit realm psychedelic experience

Different (or same) doses at dif times in different places may result in different experiences

It was what it was for whatever reason

If it felt lacking, try more of the same batch

What do you want to experience ?




I've had depression for a long time but have had a good day-to-day "routine" that does as much as it can short of overcoming some kind of chemical imbalance or whatever.

My goal or hope is that microdosing mixed with a nice, relaxing, freeing trip now and then will be the additive to my daily routine that gives me better relief.

So my expectations for my 2 gram experience were met I'd say 80% in terms of how I felt during and days following. I feel early on here that this has real potential for me, especially compared with any kind of tradition medicine that I've tried with no success (made it worse).

So right now I'm kind of dialing in my preferred amount for a regular experience and then I'll deal with finding the right microdose and dialing all that in. It's a journey


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: MrDave]
    #26808520 - 07/07/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Glad its benefiting you

Id say the mushrooms are the traditional medicine :super:

What other practices do you follow toward a healthy mind?

Eating right? Exercise? Time in nature? Yoga or meditation? Any reading?

I find these can all play critical roles

Social ties as well

Healthy lifestyle goes a long way

Mind body spirit, must exercise all 3 facets imo

Microdosing is great for staying in rhythm

Low to moderate doses can be great for regular maintenance to the mind

Higher doses imo are where you can begin to face and overcome what troubles your spirit

Mushrooms are a powerful medicine


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Re: Does depression "dull" the experience? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26809781 - 07/07/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Enkidu said:

What other practices do you follow toward a healthy mind?

Eating right? Exercise? Time in nature? Yoga or meditation? Any reading?

I find these can all play critical roles

Social ties as well

Healthy lifestyle goes a long way

Mind body spirit, must exercise all 3 facets imo

Microdosing is great for staying in rhythm

Low to moderate doses can be great for regular maintenance to the mind

Higher doses imo are where you can begin to face and overcome what troubles your spirit

Mushrooms are a powerful medicine





Well, I guess most all of those things (minus yoga, and my "meditation" is more early quiet time) on a fairly regular basis but to varying degrees. I find I have to push myself a lot harder is what the deal is. Kinda like moving through molasses. Ok maybe not that dramatic but sorta like that. It's been a couple of days since my first 2 gram experience and I feel really good actually!

As for the statements above I so agree with. And I'm having initial (very early) feelings of being on the right track here.


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