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Offlinewrongwaypeachfuzz
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What to make of it all..
    #26803672 - 07/04/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hello. So I did my 4th trip yesterday - 1.7g

Did tea again, drank it quite quickly.

The trip in the whole felt very flat and I was filled with anxiety.. Im not an anxious person by nature at all.. I was able to feel the anxiety and not let it get the better of me. My heart was in my mouth and I felt like I couldn't get enough air in.. Panic I guess, but It didn't feel as though I was the one panicking.

DJ ed said in my last post that your brain gets use to the mushrooms and your ego digs its heels in in preparation.. Or something like that.

Whats my best way to get over this? Is the problem possibly tea and quick intake? I recall near the start heading into an organic tunnel and starting to lose a sense of parts of my face.. Writing this I think that's when I panicked and things went anxious..

On the plus side, I had a very immersive moment looking at a marquetry piece of furniture.. I was in a warm field at harvest time, on the horizon, was a giant skull, which was also a doctor.

Im on a journey of personal discovery with psychedelics and mediation, so im in it whatever it presents.

Any advice appreciated.

Thank you


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: wrongwaypeachfuzz]
    #26804552 - 07/05/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nothing you’re doing or experiencing is unusual.

In fact you have captured in words the moment when I know the mushrooms are working properly, and I am now moving towards the peak. Yes, this is when in can get overwhelming for a while, building up to that crescendo that is the peak.

You’re doing the right things, and taking the correct approach. Keep doing what you’re doing and it will come.

So that moment you captured: entering the organic tunnel! I get all sorts of lizard like closed eye visuals, all,swirling around in like an organic tunnel. I’m generally listening to Hawkind Space Ritual at this stage, but this is often the cue to change rooms, and settle down into some Shpongle, or other music. That’s when my trip becomes useful for personal exploration.

Perfect dude, you’re getting there :thumbup:

DJ Ed

p.s. Afte a few more trips,and you’re still “stalling” at the organic tunnel phase, maybe consider a lemon balm tea or something before the mushrooms, to dull down the anxiety. Though I do prefer not to dull the mushrooms down at all, and take what they throw at me.


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26806656 - 07/06/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for that advice.

I had pretty bad anxiety the next day, but took a few minutes to re address. I decided to take it as excitement rather than anxiety, and turned it around. Still feeling pretty light now.

Il let you know how my next one goes.. I may do that lemon balm, just to get me to relax.

Im going to see if I can change up my setting too, as i think that had more effect that expected.

CHeers again. I saw hawkwind years ago..


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: wrongwaypeachfuzz]
    #26806666 - 07/06/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I saw Hawkwind in the 80s, they were awesome. Dave Brock smashed it.

I tried the lemon balm once, and it does calm you down. My head was nodding around like a drunk donkey! It also gave me a headache, so maybe I needed to hydrate more after it.

Good luck
DJ Ed


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: wrongwaypeachfuzz]
    #26806788 - 07/06/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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wrongwaypeachfuzz said:
Hello. So I did my 4th trip yesterday - 1.7g

The trip in the whole felt very flat and I was filled with anxiety.. Im not an anxious person by nature at all.. I was able to feel the anxiety and not let it get the better of me. My heart was in my mouth and I felt like I couldn't get enough air in.. Panic I guess, but It didn't feel as though I was the one panicking.





Sounds like one of the unlimited possibilities on mushrooms. The ego has an odd way of fighting plus mushrooms make us aware of things in our bodies that we normally have no idea of, which can cause panic.

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wrongwaypeachfuzz said:
DJ ed said in my last post that your brain gets use to the mushrooms and your ego digs its heels in in preparation.. Or something like that.

Whats my best way to get over this? Is the problem possibly tea and quick intake? I recall near the start heading into an organic tunnel and starting to lose a sense of parts of my face.. Writing this I think that's when I panicked and things went anxious..





It sounds like you had an odd sensation and that set the panic button off in your mind. The deeper you dive, the weirder the bodily sensations might be, so it is something you will have to learn to love or to accept.

Weirdly enough, I feel there is no real strategy to dismiss the ego as it kicks and screams right before taking a dose. The only thing I found works for me is downing the dose, when I planned to, even if I feel the ego getting second thoughts.

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wrongwaypeachfuzz said:
On the plus side, I had a very immersive moment looking at a marquetry piece of furniture.. I was in a warm field at harvest time, on the horizon, was a giant skull, which was also a doctor.

Im on a journey of personal discovery with psychedelics and mediation, so im in it whatever it presents.

Any advice appreciated.

Thank you




Practice and experience will get you to where you want to be. Keep exploring different doses and accepting each experience as it is. Also, tea usually has a faster come up, especially if mixed with anything acidic (like lemon juice). I found no difference tripping when making with lemon balm tea vs. just green tea. But I see a difference between tea and consuming the mushrooms. The come-up is shorter with tea but the trip doesn't last as long.


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: wrongwaypeachfuzz]
    #26807122 - 07/06/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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wrongwaypeachfuzz said:
Thanks for that advice.

I had pretty bad anxiety the next day, but took a few minutes to re address. I decided to take it as excitement rather than anxiety, and turned it around. Still feeling pretty light now.

Il let you know how my next one goes.. I may do that lemon balm, just to get me to relax.




Definitely check out the Lemon Balm and see what you think, 3 to 4.5 grams, 3 to 3.5 grams is good, i personally like 4 grams but 4 grams can be a bit strong whereas 3 to 3.5 grams is more of a moderate dosage for the Lemon Balm, definitely comes in handy with me and the Aya/oral DMT, doesn't seem to dull much at all down for me that it notice, but Aya is pretty clearheaded in general and plus the Harmalas have their own effects that contribute, but i've had Lemon Balm with 4-ACO-DMT, both me and may gf have, and it was overall pretty good and clear too from what i noticed, definitely helped ease the come up anxiety and intensity, still got me into the higher states no problemo. Haven't noticed any side-effects from Lemon Balm that i can tell.

Although it is good to have the raw experience of the Psychedelic as well, i do think there's a good bit of potential in herbal combinations with a Psychedelic, especially the natural ones, they can flavor the experience in interesting and sometimes more preferable ways. Like with Aya, i've had quite a bit of the basic Harmala and DMT combination, once i added Lemon Balm to the mix it turned out a lot better and i had extremely mystical/spiritual enlightening/illuminating experiences, the addition of the Lemon Balm simply helped to soften the experience/effects a bit which was cool because then i was able to relax things a little but still fully immerse myself into things.

4-ACO mixed with the Harmalas (or alternatively mushrooms with Harmalas) aka Psilohuasca may be worth checking out btw, wonderful stuff :P


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: Sabnock]
    #26807214 - 07/06/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You're already dosing fairly low, otherwise I would say dose lower.
Also tea is a ROA that floods your system fairly quickly which can be overwhelming. When you eat them maybe together with a small snack it takes longer for them to kick in.A method that reaches the brain more slowly is most of the time experienced as more gentle and less intense.

Its a bit like the difference between smoking, sniffing or eating something. They all reach your brain at different speeds.

I boofed tryptamines before and a faster onset is not always what you want :wink:

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Definitely check out the Lemon Balm and see what you think,[...]but i've had Lemon Balm with 4-ACO-DMT, both me and may gf have, and it was overall pretty good and clear too from what i noticed, definitely helped ease the come up anxiety and intensity, still got me into the higher states no problemo. Haven't noticed any side-effects from Lemon Balm that i can tell.




That sounds interesting.I have been looking for something light so smooth out psychedelic experiences without taking away too much from it. Preferably nothing that is too strong on GABA since benzos and that stuff take it down a lot when you take them.
I have been thinking about l-theanine, maybe GHB but that may be stong.

What I did recently was flipping with MDMA, which unfortunately colors the experience a lot. I guess a lower dose, 50-75mg of that may be nice without hijacking it too much. But that stuff may have anxiety effects by itself at least on the come-up. Once it's working you're in a good head space to trip. There's toxicity though which is one more reason to go threshold to low with it.


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: LittleBoard]
    #26807416 - 07/06/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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LittleBoard said:
You're already dosing fairly low, otherwise I would say dose lower.
Also tea is a ROA that floods your system fairly quickly which can be overwhelming. When you eat them maybe together with a small snack it takes longer for them to kick in.A method that reaches the brain more slowly is most of the time experienced as more gentle and less intense.




Reminds me of when i'd drink my Acacia teas sipping them over about 10 to 15 to 20 minutes, even without the Lemon Balm, sipping on the Acacia tea made it kick in more smoothly, in a more relaxed and gentler way, still intense because it's oral DMT lol but definitely gentler and less intense, and more manageable than having it all kick in at once, but with the added touch of the Lemon Balm, was way smooth, it was very nice. But as far as a Psychedelic tea goes, sipping on it is a very good way to go, but so too can be slamming it all back or drinking it all quickly.

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LittleBoard said:That sounds interesting.I have been looking for something light so smooth out psychedelic experiences without taking away too much from it. Preferably nothing that is too strong on GABA since benzos and that stuff take it down a lot when you take them.
I have been thinking about l-theanine, maybe GHB but that may be stong.




Yeah benzos, Alcohol, and perhaps GHB i think are too strong and would definitely dull. Idk for sure about GHB, but GABA-A positive allosteric modulators definitely affect things. Lemon Balm inhibits GABA Transaminase which raises GABA levels directly and is more clearheaded, so too can Amanita's be clearheaded. Haven't tried Amanita's with Psychedelics, yet, but i can imagine a low dose of Amanita's synergizing well and probably wouldn't dull things down like benzos or Alcohol would. Maybe in large dosages Amanita's or Lemon Balm could be dulling, but i've taken up 8 grams of Lemon Balm during my Aya experiences and up to 14 grams of Amanita's on their own, and while there were some inhibitive properties there, it was still clearheaded, sobering, not cloudy and seemingly non-impairing, but in the right dosages, smooth and non-dulling. In fact i think Cannabis can be a lot more impairing/dulling than Lemon Balm or Amanita's, definitely get more dulled and impaired from Cannabis personally but still had amazing times with Cannabis in the mix.


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26811109 - 07/08/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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DJ Ed said:
I saw Hawkwind in the 80s, they were awesome. Dave Brock smashed it.

I tried the lemon balm once, and it does calm you down. My head was nodding around like a drunk donkey! It also gave me a headache, so maybe I needed to hydrate more after it.

Good luck
DJ Ed




Cheers DJ. Is the tea using lemon balm fresh plant or some kind of dried version?


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26811115 - 07/08/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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wrongwaypeachfuzz said:
Hello. So I did my 4th trip yesterday - 1.7g

The trip in the whole felt very flat and I was filled with anxiety.. Im not an anxious person by nature at all.. I was able to feel the anxiety and not let it get the better of me. My heart was in my mouth and I felt like I couldn't get enough air in.. Panic I guess, but It didn't feel as though I was the one panicking.





Sounds like one of the unlimited possibilities on mushrooms. The ego has an odd way of fighting plus mushrooms make us aware of things in our bodies that we normally have no idea of, which can cause panic.

Quote:

wrongwaypeachfuzz said:
DJ ed said in my last post that your brain gets use to the mushrooms and your ego digs its heels in in preparation.. Or something like that.

Whats my best way to get over this? Is the problem possibly tea and quick intake? I recall near the start heading into an organic tunnel and starting to lose a sense of parts of my face.. Writing this I think that's when I panicked and things went anxious..





It sounds like you had an odd sensation and that set the panic button off in your mind. The deeper you dive, the weirder the bodily sensations might be, so it is something you will have to learn to love or to accept.

Weirdly enough, I feel there is no real strategy to dismiss the ego as it kicks and screams right before taking a dose. The only thing I found works for me is downing the dose, when I planned to, even if I feel the ego getting second thoughts.

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wrongwaypeachfuzz said:
On the plus side, I had a very immersive moment looking at a marquetry piece of furniture.. I was in a warm field at harvest time, on the horizon, was a giant skull, which was also a doctor.

Im on a journey of personal discovery with psychedelics and mediation, so im in it whatever it presents.

Any advice appreciated.

Thank you




Practice and experience will get you to where you want to be. Keep exploring different doses and accepting each experience as it is. Also, tea usually has a faster come up, especially if mixed with anything acidic (like lemon juice). I found no difference tripping when making with lemon balm tea vs. just green tea. But I see a difference between tea and consuming the mushrooms. The come-up is shorter with tea but the trip doesn't last as long.




Thanks for the reply. I think Im going to try without tea next as I recall it coming over me too fast for my level of experience. Good thing is I do feel positive about the last trip. It was very serious.. And I feel very light since, so I could draw some conclusion.

Its odd, since starting this adventure, the trips have left me slightly high all the time.. Im not a stressed person, but feel even more that less is bothering me. Im being taught.


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: wrongwaypeachfuzz]
    #26811194 - 07/08/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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DJ Ed said:
I saw Hawkwind in the 80s, they were awesome. Dave Brock smashed it.

I tried the lemon balm once, and it does calm you down. My head was nodding around like a drunk donkey! It also gave me a headache, so maybe I needed to hydrate more after it.

Good luck
DJ Ed




Cheers DJ. Is the tea using lemon balm fresh plant or some kind of dried version?




One can use the fresh leaves, i've always used dried leaves.


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Re: What to make of it all.. [Re: wrongwaypeachfuzz]
    #26811467 - 07/08/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Others may disagree but my first shroom experience I admittedly over did it I had a bag of cracker dry liberty caps 15 or20gs. I started by eating 5g raw then 5g on pizza. An hour later smoked a joint then it started I heard music and visuals crazy. I ended up devouring the entire bag but the trip had a nasty part at like 3 am once I finished the bag I couldn’t find my bed or get to where I was then emotions from a relationship problem made it worse. I ended up staring into a mirror until sunlight it was just crazy also interacting with pets is awesome it’s like they just get it. But man if I was you you can’t have fears honestly it’s better to take too much then not enough. 1.5g is not enough. Maybe take 5g and once it begins if you like it just snack on some more 1g at a time. The worst that can happen is you have a bad trip but everybody does have them it’s all part of the journey. And how you handle the hallucinations. Accept them for what they are. Hallucinations. Drink beer and you’ll be a space tripper in no time Alice coopers song “I’m eighteen”


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