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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rapjack]
    #26805337 - 07/05/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you veryy much for this thoughtful response. 
I've watched a lot of the gourmet production vids on youtube as well and have seen the 55 gallon sterilizer.  I do like the information on the All American plug in PC and will look into starting with that and ramping up after I smooth out the hiccups. 

I'm dine walking first and know that Bod is well respected here.  I'm not ignoring the responses, however some seem a bit on the snarky side.  All good, I'm a big boy and can take  bit of abuse. 

Based on what I"m hearing, I'll leave the proposed fruit room alone and split my incubation space into two.  Any thoughts on managing the temp and humidity based on the different requirements?  I'd like to get around having to fan my totes three times a day.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26805338 - 07/05/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Either bruising or contam.  Swab to see if spores stick.  I"m not claiming to be anything here... just looking for knowledge.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26805340 - 07/05/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Roger. Well this is the place to be for learning cultivation, I didn't intend to take over this thread so my apologies. Just read through the teks by trusted cultivators on this site, read through the comments and get some tubs or shoeboxes going. When you can consistantly pull a quarter pound dry first flush from a tub then you will have learned enough to start fucking with autoclaves, PID controllers and large humidified grow spaces for fruiting. You'll probably decide that stacking a bunch of tubs in a room will get you what you're looking for though.

My bad, I didn't realize what I've said has brought shame upon the shroomery, lol.

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It's better to steer people towards knowledge and give sound advice




I was pretty sure this is what I was doing:shrug:


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26805341 - 07/05/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey Man,

I'm not upset or mocking anything.  I have basic lab skills and understand that science behind mushroom cultivation.  I do not claim to be a know it all.  I'm happy to start with a few tubs and go from there.  I'm well aware that mushroom cultivation and cannabis cultivation are completely different. 

The advice I'm getting is of course valuable, and helpful for me.  I'm in early planning stages of this project, and have time to work on it.  I'm and environmental scientist that has working in biological field for 13 years.  I"m not telling you this because I think I'm a know it all, I"m doing this to provide you with some background of my skill set.



You're in for a long ride.  All of us on this site are smart... we are the nectar of the cannabis community, moved on to mushrooms (some of us at least).  Mushrooms will weed out all the wannabe's and dumbasses of the cannabis field. 

We all wouldn't be here if we haven't fucked up a thousand times.  Blood, sweat, and tears in the beginning.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26805345 - 07/05/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks man....

I'm not sure why people think that I'm ignoring their advice. 
Thats why I'm here.  I know that plants and fungi are entirely different kingdoms.  requirements and respiration are different.  However, there are similarities in managing negative pressure, climate control, phases of growth, etc.  Thats what I was trying to get at.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rapjack]
    #26805348 - 07/05/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Man....


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rapjack]
    #26805349 - 07/05/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Lol, all of that and he hasn't even surpassed the "hey is this blue spot on my cake contamination?" Phase yet. Much lelz.




A lot of the Youtube channels I mentioned went from no farming experience to making a living growing gourmet in less than a year. Just because there's 100 overambitious noobs on here a day doesn't mean there aren't serious beginners either. It's better to steer people towards knowledge and give sound advice rather than mock them. Just makes the Shroomery look bad, in my foolish opinion.




I guess it also says a lot about a person when they are able to research enough by themselves and do enough realistic math to figure out what they need and what they dont need. Asking basic questions about things that can be solved out with simple math doent bode well. You can often spot people that may be over their head that way.

This is not only limited to materials and equipment but also accurately knowing what skills they have and how well those skills will serve them and what the limit for those skills are. For instance you can have excelent skills in doing lab work and have experience working with agar. But you dont know what contams you have in your environment or how to handle those contams. What many here are saying is that its excellent to have skills, but take into consideration the skills you dont have! Grow something, then ask me on how to make it bigger.

I guess I fail to understand why you keep calling it for "mockery". Why would it be a mockery to tell someone "hmm, why dont you try it out first and then put everything into it".


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26805358 - 07/05/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is good advice, thank you. 

Easy enough to start smaller as I can let my partner keep going with her other production space.  Stacking totes is doable... I'm not looking to build out an autoclave at this point. 

These are valuable pieces of information for me, as the size of the space i have is large, however, there is all of the supporting equipment that may become problematic.  In other words, I'm working backwards a bit.  If the space and plans are simply too large, then I can scale back... that's easy.  A QP from first flush per tote is also valuable information.

Cheers.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26805359 - 07/05/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ha... Fair enough man..


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: redhandmat]
    #26805363 - 07/05/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I was smoking a doobie last night and thought I'd parachute in some questions that I"d had a hard time finding answers too. 

It blew up a bit, and here we all are. 

However, if you read this thread, there is definitely a bit of mockery in here. 
If this is a forum to provide information, then I'm all for it.  The majority have provided good info.  Some are not, but I"m fine with sorting though that..

Any links are appreciated.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26805368 - 07/05/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Go to the first page of this thread, click the link in bods signature "everything you need to know in one spot":thumbup:


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26805376 - 07/05/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah man just search for Bod's teks (he answered your thread in the beginning) and they are really nice. Pastywhyte has a lot of teks that are nice. ShaperDreaming has some teks I really like (the sff I linked to before), also there are many other users that have exceptional teks and writeups, Faht, Violet, and more.

I would suggest for you to get a PC if you really want to start doing this, get some petridishes, agar, LME.. the basic stuff. Try out some tubs after you have figured out the teks that best suite your circumstances. Start manageable, get your learning curve started, ask the stupidest questions in the forums (like me) on actual grows to get feedback, perfect your techniques. When you're ready you'll be a lot less cocky than now :laugh::tongue:

Good luck mate!


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: redhandmat]
    #26805414 - 07/05/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What they said, Bod's knowledge comes from a lot of experience and professional lab work. He's the dude when it comes to great TEKs.

This thread on spotting hidden contamination on agar has  helped me out a ton, even now I still review it from time to time.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22020260


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: redhandmat]
    #26805587 - 07/05/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the tips on Teks to follow. 

I'm not cocky, just ambitious!:wink:

I've been BOD pop up a few times and appreciate the information that you have all provided.

I'm totally ok with starting small.  Any tips on best pressure cookers in Canada are appreciated.  Leaning towards a stovetop (buying and installing an oven downstairs), and pasteurizing in a tote connected to the top of my pressure cooker is appealing. 


The background I was providing was intended to let people know that they can use some technical terminology with me and that I'll understand what they mean.  Same with the grow room experience from cannabis.  I wasn't intended to be some sort of brag.

I'll start with my build out of lab space with a flow hood and get an over and pressure cooker going for my agar work.  I'll likely get a Blue meanie tissue culture from my bro, and will also grab a few spore syringes.  I intend on growing and isolating with agar, and then installing  small bar fridge in the lab to stall out anything that I'm not ready to move into jars or that have less than appealing mycelium characteristics.

Once that's rolling, I'll build out the second room to an incubation space and a fruiting space.

Cheers.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rapjack]
    #26805589 - 07/05/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Much appreciated.

My overall challenge has been finding TEKs for larger spaces.

That essentially what I was getting at.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26805592 - 07/05/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Start with a 23qt Presto, they're the best bang for the buck around. Later on you can upgrade to something larger that won't require babysitting.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26805598 - 07/05/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just apply the same practices for gourmets production to actives. Look over in the gourmet forum for ideas there. I'd also recommend getting some books on the subject. I just purchased this from Amazon and it goes into detail about a lot of the conditions and processes that can be applied to actives.



You can utilize cannabis grow tents as fruiting rooms, just add shelving, fogger, LED strip lights etc and you have the perfect environment for mushroom production.

When grown in a tent/greenhouse you'd grow out of trays or bags as apposed to totes, you could even use individual myco bags as the actual fruiting chamber in the same way that you'd utilize a tote and forego using the tent. Really once you understand the basic environment and lifecycle of the species you're dealing with you will be able to make the best choice in terms of fruiting strategy and method of spawn production.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26805651 - 07/05/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks man... THIS is the kind of information that I'm looking for! 

I totally get the cautionary recommendations from folks here.  When you're talking trays, what kind of trays are you talking about?  Seeding trays?  Can you grow out your bulk mycelium in them?  Are people covering them in Poly to keep them clean while they establish?  Ive seen pictures of trays fruiting before and I'm trying to figure out how they are done.  This can be the longer term plan while I mess around with mono tubs in the beginning.

I'm reading Stamets books, watching commercial gourmet production Youtube videos, build an account on here and on Mycopia.net, reading through all of the TEKs I can find (already went through BOD's but am going through them again).  I did the same thing when I researched an implemented TEKs for Mimosa hostilis extractions.


As I mentioned earlier, I'm just having a harder time finding information that merges from a couple of totes in the closet.  Happy to start there, but I'm interested in progressing and filling the available space that I have.

Cheers.


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rapjack]
    #26805653 - 07/05/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, that's what I'm also thinking.  They appear to be a PITA to find in Canada and may need to special order.....


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Re: Build out plan for basement production [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26805722 - 07/05/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They're not the easiest to find the US, either. The only physical stores that I find them or spare parts  are small franchise hardware stores in areas with a large elderly population (for canning). Maybe country stores would have them too.


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