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InfiniteDreams


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Re: @koods [Re: koods]
#26889710 - 08/20/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: I can’t work for a campaign cause I’m gonna be a poll worker
Oh, not any campaign. When I read your threads, the tactics you employ are identical to what I see come from Trump's white house. You are perfectly suited to work for Trump, not any old political campaign.
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lol yall fuccin retards
they have free healthcare
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Europe always talks shit about America but if they had to deal with bullshit problems of the type size and frequency we do in America theyd all he dead by now along with maybe the rest of the world. But keep talking shit.
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HamHead said: Sweden 5,802 Denmark 621 Finland 334 Norway 262
The current population of Sweden is 10,107,485 as of Tuesday, August 18, 2020
The current population of Denmark is 5,794,890 as of Tuesday, August 18, 2020
The current population of Finland is 5,541,886 as of Wednesday, August 19, 2020
Norway 2020 population is estimated at 5,421,241 people at mid year according to UN data.
Nah, population size isn't a factor at all.
 
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Re: @koods [Re: Ice9]
#26890733 - 08/20/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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What's so funny? There's evidence hydroxychloroquine was used in Finland, Denmark and Norway. While Sweden halted HCQ use when that faulty lancet report came out.


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Remember, no lockdown, no mask enforcement, no buisness closures, schools still open.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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koods
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HamHead said:
What's so funny? There's evidence hydroxychloroquine was used in Finland, Denmark and Norway. While Sweden halted HCQ use when that faulty lancet report came out.


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Remember, no lockdown, no mask enforcement, no buisness closures, schools still open.
So what you’re saying is Sweden death rate plummeted about the same time they stopped using HCQ, because that’s what the graph shows.
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Sweden is almost past Covid 19, because they let it run its course through their population.
Anyone fighting it, is delaying it, not beating it.
There is no vaccine, the vaccine is years off.
What will they do, fight against the virus for years as their economies suffer from repeated shut downs every time a new outbreak happens in their un resistant population? That is their future.
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koods
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Sweden is almost past Covid 19, because they let it run its course through their population.
Not even close. You’re just making shit up on purpose or are stupendously and dangerously ignorant.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0141076820945282
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Re: @koods [Re: koods]
#26890796 - 08/20/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looking into HCQ use in Sweden, it appears paitents were treated after being hospitalised, which has been shown to be ineffective.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8199477/Swedish-hospitals-stop-prescribing-chloroquine-coronavirus-patients-adverse-effects.html
"Doctors in Europe, the US and China have been given licence to trial the drug on seriously ill coronavirus patients."
"The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has updated its website to remove guidance on dosages for hydroxychloroquine.
The antimalarial has not been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to treat coronavirus, but the FDA did issue an Emergency Use Authorization.
It means that doctors can administer the drug at their discretion on seriously ill COVID-19 patients.
Previous CDC guidance for doctors included dosages for hydroxychloroquine, even though the agency said the 'optimal dosage and duration' to treat coronavirus is still unknown.
The updated guidance is shorter and no longer gives dosage information, details nor studies about the drug.
Additional information about other drugs has also been removed."
"Medicine regulators in the US have approved the use of antimalarial drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine in patients with severe cases of COVID-19.
Doctors across the States can now prescribe the medicines to patients who are critically ill with the virus.
They were granted emergency approval by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) on March 30.
Doctors in Spain and Italy - the two worst-affected European countries -have already been told they can prescribe the drugs as a last resort.
In the UK, meanwhile, doctors have been instructed not to use the drugs, which can also treat rheumatoid arthritis and lupus, except in clinical trials.
The British Government has banned wholesalers from exporting the drugs to different countries, showing it is protecting the UK supply, but has not yet approved its widespread use because of a lack of evidence.
The drug has been used in China throughout the outbreak and doctors have reported good results, but they have not been published in robust scientific trials.
South Korea was also among one of the first countries to start using it, and there have been reports of doctors in the Netherlands giving it to COVID-19 patients.
In France, a team led by Professor Didier Raoult at a hospital in Marseille reported last week that they had carried out a study of chloroquine on 36 COVID-19 patients.
The World Health Organization has launched a worldwide trial called SOLIDARITY, involving scientists in countries all over the globe, to test which drugs work well on COVID-19 patients - chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are included in this."
"Chinese media reported that the drug was successfully used to cure patients with the coronavirus, but the reports have not been scientifically proven.
A separate Chinese study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that the lopinavir-ritonavir combination did not improve survival or speed recovery of COVID-19 patients.
However, the authors noted they had enrolled a 'severely ill population' of patients.
In a clinical trial submission, scientists in South Korea said lab studies have: 'In vitro [laboratory] studies revealed that lopinavir/ritonavir [has] antiviral activity against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).'"
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So, yeah, looks like HCQ was given to those with serious infection. Which one could easily say that HCQ wasn't used, knowing it's mechanisms of action, which was 'unknown' months ago.
With that said, Sweden curve played out without HCQ.

Now that more information is known about early HCQ treatment, I'm curious as to how well Sweden would have done if they prescribed HCQ at first signs of symptoms or as a prophylactic to prevent infection in those high risk individuals.
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Re: @koods [Re: koods]
#26890821 - 08/20/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said:
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Sweden is almost past Covid 19, because they let it run its course through their population.
Not even close. You’re just making shit up on purpose or are stupendously and dangerously ignorant.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0141076820945282
Recent clinical and research findings suggest that the acquisition of neutralising IgM and IgG antibodies (Ab) is regularly seen in severely infected individuals (e.g. those ventilated in ITU). In a recent case series of 285 hospitalised COVID-19 patients from China, over 90% had seroconverted after three weeks of infection.17 Such Ab-generating responses to COVID-19 infections are much less commonly found in the far more numerous asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (non-hospitalised community) patient cohorts. Table 218–24 shows the data from many of the reported series (some reports being pre-formal publication); it is clear that nowhere is the prevalence of IgG seropositivity high (the maximum being around 20%) or climbing convincingly over time. This is especially clear in Sweden, where the authorities publicly predicted 40% seroconversion in Stockholm by May 2020; the actual IgG seroprevalence was around 15%. Differences in testing methodology, viral load, clinical severity, intrinsic health of the studied population and various other potential confounding factors likely explain the inter-population variability.
Our uncertainty also extends to whether Ab produced in any clinical COVID-19 setting can confer any clinically-relevant protection against new or recurrent SARS-CoV-2 infections; some answers to this may come from the several ongoing convalescent plasma trials.25 There are certainly going to be more sophisticated tests of innate immunity measuring reactive T-cell populations against viral antigen targets which are more informative and clinically relevant than simple reliance on the generation of IgG and IgM Ab post infection. Nor do we know today whether there will be the development of a safe, reliable, affordable and accessible vaccine in a reasonable timeframe–this was not achieved with Dengue, HIV-AIDS, SARS, MERS or Zika.26
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Oh, those antibodies don't last long. But T cells, those remain active for years.
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You don’t know anything about immunology, and what you think you know is wrong.
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Re: @koods [Re: koods]
#26890934 - 08/20/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Personally, I’d rather risk getting the flu over becoming homeless and having no food. But that’s just me, I’m crazy like that..
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koods
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There’s a vaccine for the flu
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Re: @koods [Re: koods]
#26891052 - 08/21/20 04:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don’t take that either.. been fine.
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Re: @koods [Re: koods]
#26891075 - 08/21/20 04:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: There’s a vaccine for the flu
Up to 45% effectiveness.
And it's argued those who get a flu shot are primed for coronaviruses.
There have been studies done on military personnel who are required to get a flu shot.
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InfiniteDreams


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Re: @koods [Re: koods]
#26891178 - 08/21/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You’re just making shit up on purpose or are stupendously and dangerously ignorant.
Put down the mirror, koods.
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HamHead said:
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koods said: There’s a vaccine for the flu
Up to 45% effectiveness.
And it's argued those who get a flu shot are primed for coronaviruses.
There have been studies done on military personnel who are required to get a flu shot.
lol, link?
Everyone in healthcare gets one. From what I can tell, most of the healthcare workers that catch it are CNAs in nursing homes and rehabs. I am not convinced they are even catching it at work. A lot of those people.... lets just say I would never want them to be taking care of my family
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I almost feel like creating a thread in the pub with a poll asking who they think will win the election Trump or Biden? The problem is it won't be a very popular thread considering most people will answer the thread with their choice in who they will vote for as their choice in who they think will win. Which is not what I want to question in a poll.
But in all fairness no one knows who is going to win. Most people will vote for who they think will win. Amazingly online according to popularity polls Biden has a 70% chance of winning and Trump is down to 30%. Amazingly I really had Trump winning this year. I just so thought it was going to happen. Now I am believing Biden.
Never in my life anyway has so much depended on one election. At least according to each candidate the fate of us all having any money or jobs and not all dying next year is dependent on the other guy not winning. I guess? I mean they say this every election basically. Admittedly I guess it just seems so much more targeted to existing issues now. I mean obviously every election the fate of the economy and all the wars we are going to get in is on the line.
Just seems so much more imperative to the average persons mind set this year. My curiosity knows no bounds to who will actually win this. Without dropping a poll does anyone honestly feel they will vote for a candidate who has a good chance of not winning? Hell maybe I could even set up a poll right along the lines of such a question as that. Give me a second
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Ok here it is. This poll is a little different from usual. I want to see how this plays out. So from a different point of view
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I think I remember the study HamHead is referring to. Without a control group of healthcare workers, soldiers, etc. who did not receive the flu vaccine, it's impossible to even speculate the existence of a causative relationship between receiving the flu vaccine and increased incidence of COVID19 infection, since exposure rates among those populations are so much higher than they are for the average person. If such a correlation exists, it's almost certainly spurious.
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What in the fuck is wrong with u guys uve been arguing in circles this whole time like some kinda lunatic sewing circle i mean what in the fuck kind a poll is that? What the fuck kinda of crazy pills do they have you guys on?
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