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Darwin23 said: I watch a handful of pedophile-catching vigilante channels on Youtube. The videos are endless. It's as if the internet is full of them in every city. Despite watching hundreds of these videos with these pedophiles, I still haven't determined why. Why is this so widespread? What do pedophiles get out of it? The developmentally delayed 20-year-olds trying to meet a 15-year-old are few and far between. The great majority of those caught are middle-aged and trying to meet 12,13,14-year-old children.
What do you think drives them?
I read none of the thread - except for your starting question
for me the question is what drives or drove you to
Despite watching hundreds of these videos with these pedophiles?
Ever wonder about that? Especially when obviously you can't find an answer by doing so ! hours and hours of your time.... Odd way to spend your time I think .... hm ....
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. Meanwhile hormones in milk & cheese accelerate puberty.
. As regards "legit (sic) peadophiles think they love the children, " apparently you live in a fantasy world, with no human trafficking, no sadism, no child porn, and everything in neat categories. . So your "a big fan of psychology". Seems like a big fan of ivory tower psychology, with a nice helping of prurient interest.
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My view is simple, with the limited resources the world has to help people, those resources are better used helping the victims than the perpetrators.
Of course the Catholic church does the opposite - which makes them perpetrators themselves. And of course the church is still in business world wide. Doing all sorts of harm.
So I question the motives of those whose sympathies go with the perpetrators, and I question the motives of those like the OP who have a fascination with the perpetrators and admit to watching hundreds of hours of video on the subject while doing nothing for the victims.
That people who commit victimless 'crimes' ( like smoking weed) are put in prison, while the Pedophilic christian church flourishes, is one of the great hypocrisies of our times. I shed no tears for the abusers and traumatisers of innocent children. This is not a perfect world, where everyone can always be helped. A responsible & mature & intelligent person can make difficult choices, understand both compromise and priorities. Unfortunately our society cannot and the simpleminded want to ban abortion, blame women for rape, and coddle sick disgusting priests who ass fuck little boys.
There really is no reason to have such a thread here at all.There are no qualified experts in the field here. Any intelligent person with a real interest in the subject will not find what they are looking for here. There are very obviously better places where informed psychologists on these types of issues are to be found, assuming one is still dead set on helping the perpetrators rather than the innocent victims, and exploring what are frankly the revolting details of the subject.
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laughingdog said: There really is no reason to have such a thread here at all.There are no qualified experts in the field here. Any intelligent person with a real interest in the subject will not find what they are looking for here. There are very obviously better places where informed psychologists on these types of issues are to be found, assuming one is still dead set on helping the perpetrators rather than the innocent victims, and exploring what are frankly the revolting details of the subject.
If there were 'qualified experts' we wouldnt have this problem in the first place.
I can tell you the problem and it is quite simply 'a preoccupation with sex'. It is that simple. I can add to that a lack of virtue/conscience.
I can also tell you that these people would value their own pleasure quite highly and would disregard consequences of obtaining their own pleasure.
These are quite basic observations. Yet i believe they will ring true with any sensible man.
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Re: Pedophila [Re: OOISI]
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If there were 'qualified experts' we wouldnt have this problem in the first place.
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Simply nonsense, there are plenty of smart folks, but most are dumb. Having some 'qualified experts' doesn't raise the consciousness of the masses.
As I said: "There really is no reason to have such a thread here at all." It is just like fly paper, or a roach trap. If that is what the monitors wish to have in this nook, of a website devoted to consciousness expansion, so be it - apparently allowing it will continue to attract those who resonate with such vibes. Other than to point out what is going on, and how the Catholic and related Christian Churches tie in, whether we like it or not, and how that implicates all their followers as having less than completely honest intentions, I have no further interest in this matter.
God & smut seem to go together like "white on rice", & as far as I'm concerned they can have each other.
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Is a 30-40 year old having sex with a 10-15 year old during the middle ages considered pedophilia?
Good points you made greenladel. On the Power Complex and The legit philia aspect. I'm also fascinated by the subject.
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greenladel said: i think legit peadophilia is still dregs of our primitive history leaking into modern times. many years ago people did not live nearly as long as they do now, so nature wants us to procreate earlier. we needed to get the job done before it was too late and before the opportunity was gone. i think in a couple of centuries peadophiles how we understand it will not exist any more (for the most part), but whos to say the legal age of consent will not go up too? which in turn will cause another stage of peadophile.
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BrendanFlock said: Well I belive there is a link between right and wrong and yes and no..
Something that is wrong has a no attached to it..
Something that is right.. should have a yes.. or an option to say yes attached to it..
So therefore much like binary codes of lengths of mixed codes interchanging ons and offs 1's and Zeros!
It should be this basic to understand.. in my opinion..
The correct means of selection.. making correct choices in a world of Good and Evil..Even know evil has an Eve in it.. but I don't know what that means..
The English word evil and the name Eve in the Bible which was in Hebrew originally should not be conflated. The English name Eve is derivative of a Latin name and the Hebrew name sounds nothing like the Latin except in meaning: Eve /iːv/ is an English given name for a female, derived from the Latin name Eva, in turn originating with the Hebrew חַוָּה (Chavah/Havah – chavah, to breathe, and chayah, to live, or to give life). The traditional meaning of Eve is "living".
I understand (0,1) but in praxis, morality and its codification as ethics is never (0,1). You round a corner while walking down a street and you see two people, one is slumping down a wall the other is slapping the face of the slumping person. Your first impression might be a moral judgement that 'this is wrong!' But you'd be right for the wrong reason. The slumping person was losing consciousness from a drug overdose and the person slapping the slumping person's face was doing so compassionately to inflict enough non-injurious pain to keep the slumping person from slipping into a coma before the ambulance arrived.
Anything and any given human act is not intrinsically good or evil, it is the intention behind the action that partakes of the binary notion. There is no gray area in actual intention only in the manifestation. The decisiveness would be one's "True Will" to use Aleister Crowley's term. There can be no "meh" in the decision to attempt to save someone's life or to fail to act. Well, I'll swim to this drowning person but I'm not gonna sweat it. If I get there in time good, if not 'Oh well.' Such indecision does exist of course and would be extreme cognitive dissonance, a human will unable or unwilling to commit to right or wrong, good or evil and hence immoral given the circumstance. Ambivalence in a life-death situation is moral retardation (psychopathy). The purely evil reaction was manifested a few years ago when some guys jeered and laughed at a drowning man instead of doing anything to help. Callous indifference is what the law calls it. I call it human evil. https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/crime/2017/07/20/teens-filmed-mocked-drowning-man-cocoa-police-say/495518001/
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If there were 'qualified experts' we wouldnt have this problem in the first place.
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Simply nonsense, there are plenty of smart folks, but most are dumb. Having some 'qualified experts' doesn't raise the consciousness of the masses.
As I said: "There really is no reason to have such a thread here at all." It is just like fly paper, or a roach trap. If that is what the monitors wish to have in this nook, of a website devoted to consciousness expansion, so be it - apparently allowing it will continue to attract those who resonate with such vibes. Other than to point out what is going on, and how the Catholic and related Christian Churches tie in, whether we like it or not, and how that implicates all their followers as having less than completely honest intentions, I have no further interest in this matter.
God & smut seem to go together like "white on rice", & as far as I'm concerned they can have each other.
Well i perhaps worded that badly. But if there was people who knew why this is so and how to cure it (what i would call an 'expert') than i believe we would have solved or be currently solving the problem.
No true Christian would rape or be pedophilic. The bible teaches to get married and not have sex out of marriage. Apparently God killed Onan for ejaculating on the ground. The gist of the bible to me teaches only having sex for the purpose of procreation.
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I can tell you the problem and it is quite simply 'a preoccupation with sex'. It is that simple. I can add to that a lack of virtue/conscience.
it is far more complicated than that.
If people werent preoccupied with sex as a means of obtaining pleasure, and only had sex for the sake of procreation things would be vastly different. There would be far less, or even no pedophiles. I believe by conscience we are aware that exploiting non-fully developed human beings is wrong. Ive seen 60 year old men with 20 year old girls and my interior balks at this. Having sexual relations with someone young enough to be your child, i think to a sane person, is wrong. An unhindered natural progression should lead elderly people to not be preoccupied with sex. They should be helping people through their life experience and not trying to get in their pants.
So by logic, i think if we add non-preoccupation with sex, with a healthy conscience the problem would be solved. I believe a healthy conscience would prevent people from wishing to have sex with people who havent attained the age of responsibility or even wishing to partner with someone many years older or younger.
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The trouble with good and evil..
Good vs evil?
Courage and bravery to face the evil.. and smite it with full force.. dark vs light.. essence vs existence.. what is within existence? Essence by far and then take me to the essenes!
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greenladel said: every christian has their own version of christianity. everything in the bible has an opposite, also in the bible. the purpose is so that anybody can relate to it. as much as the bible says sex only after marriage, it also pretty much says that children do not count, which is why so many priests etc have used it as a loophole to rape children. i am not saying that is what all christians are like, not even close! i am just saying that christianity does not outlaw it, and similarly, christianity itself cannot be blamed for it, only the methods used within christianity. unfortunately for good religious people, they are tainted with the actions of the bad ones that use their book to justify it. even if the book did directly say not to do it there is still the confession loophole. best bet is to use your own judgement, not that of somebody from thousands of years ago.
Ill exclude your other points, but where does it say children do not count?
These people are definitely twisting the bible. The fundamental tenets of being christian is: To love God and to love your neighbour, and to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you wish, i can provide quotes.
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greenladel said: if we only had sex for procreation then we would see more peadophiles. some girls have their period as young as 12 (probably sometimes even younger), which means they are ready to procreate by nature. i personally do not want to see humans driven by procreation only.
If people were having sex less, than pedophelia would decrease. I do not see your logic. I am no expert, i dont know statistics, but i can assure you the majority of pedophiles arent intending procreation. And how could you even argue that in the case of pre-pubescent children?
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greenladel said: 20 year old women are 100% developed enough to have a baby and have a sexual relationship with anybody they like. it is weird to see a 60 year old with a 20 year old, but that is usually 2 people who are both using the other person for selfish means, its very rarely a legit relationship, but it is mutual and consensual, so good luck to them. i also believe elderly people should be able to have as much sex as they want. what age would you say was too old for sex?
My point was that, by conscience, such a relationship is wrong. You yourself just affirmed that in saying such a scenario is 'very rarely a legitmate relationship'. In my opinion, naturally the desire for sexual relations (preoccupation with sex) diminishes in elderly. An old person that isnt interested in fucking young people is more developed morally, than one who is intersted in fucking young people. As i get older i see more and more the vanity of self-pleasure and the greater need for something significant, which usually entails privation and suffering. They can have as much sex as they want, i agree, but id be far more receptive to the counsels of an elderly person not obsessed with sex than one who is. I struggle with desire for sex, so if im looking up to someone who has experienced life and can offer me help to overcome the problems of life, im far more inclined to that one who actually has overcome those problems.
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greenladel said: what exactly is a healthy conscience? the problem with that is everybodys opinion of a healthy conscience is completely different. i think that 60 year old in your example should have no guilt, but you think he should, so whos morals do we go by? that said, i think we can both agree the people who control our accepted morals right now certainly are NOT the benchmark in morality! my point is just that the term "healthy conscience" is relative to the person defining it. i do, however, think there are some things that most of us can agree on without even discussing it, which i think is what you mean. that 12 year old, whos womb is technically fully functional, should be protected from peadophiles in most peoples opinion, but the line is a blurry one.
As i quoted before, the Christian edict "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is an excellent means for establishing the basis of a healthy conscience. Also i believe it is by conscience that we know having sex with children is wrong. Killing people is wrong. Stealing is wrong. These are principles of conscience. And if there is any question to this, killing or stealing unnecessarily are definitely wrong. There is definitely grey area, but there is also areas which any sane individual would agree upon.
Conscience says do not kill anyone, except possibly in the case of survival or protection of self or others. If you disagree with that or think that is subjective, then i cannot really help you.
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Pedophiles are souls too. Not supporting sex with children. But they're marginalized and its pretentious morality. Most souls willingly eat animals raping them in jail/cage and painful death. Plus you're all pedophiles too. Remember Bill Hicks? Everything's the same soul throughout infinite entities. Just one of us there. Therefore pedophile hate is immature and unhelpful. Just a talking point to throw hate towards in their own hypocrisy
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So how would you protect your children from a neighbor who was a pedophile without some form of pre-judgment? Would you prefer to not be informed by the laws that have been imposed on pedophiles who move into a neighborhood? Would you rather find out from your child who tells you? Or from the neighbor family who falls victim?
Just wondering how you'd approach this. Because I agree with a lot of what you said. But I don't agree with inaction around clearly harmful outcomes. And I do not think all judgement is a denial of one's connectedness but often times a result of it. If I know what you do has consequences that are harmful for another and I feel obligated to act in ways to prevent this, then I am acknowledging that what is good for another is good for me.
A sign of losing this connection is when none of it matters IMO
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It's beyond judgement to protect kids. It's the kill and hate pedophile trope. I agree already with what you and others say. Just not unconscious hate and stigma. Got to treat them respectfully and try to understand them. I was brought up in a hate pedo culture and never look deeper. Breeding more suffering does not much for everyone else. It's bad typicality to blindly curse them as the "devil" itself. Same with all abusers and killers
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I can sympathize with NON-OFFENDING pedophiles, sure. That would suck. It is hated and if that's what gets you off, you didn't really choose that. Going back to my original question though, I suspect that the motivation is beyond a simple fetish (paraphilia?). In Surviving R. Kelly, his pattern of targeting younger girls is put in display. However, he also targets adults rather consistently. This is because his drive wasn't because of an attraction to young girls, it was based on a desire to control. Young girls were just the most impressionable, vulnerable and most likely to accept his abuse.
As for the argument that perhaps the age of consent is too high, I agree and disagree. Teens often do become sexually active well before the age of 18, but I think, again it goes back to that impressionable mind and vulnerability. That is why there is a lower age of consent in many places but it only applies if the other partner is also below a certain age. That, I totally agree with.
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