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Are communists masochists? 1
#26804357 - 07/04/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or is it some kind of strategy to get themselves hit by cars over and over again? What's up with all these people wearing all black at night and sitting in the middle of the freeway with no lights, at 1 in the morning, getting hit by a black man and then blaming white supremacists? Or the woman who was attacked by a mob of people and had a gun pulled on her, to have NPR say she was a right wing extremist attacking peaceful protesters? I know we got some communists on this site. Is it some kind of strategy to make themselves look like the victim when they inevitably fuck themselves up doing the dumb shit they do?
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Eminence]
#26804378 - 07/04/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds like you probably got it right.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Eminence]
#26804381 - 07/04/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So america is all hippies sitting on freeways and virus denying inbred halfwits, is there any in between anymore? What happened to all the normal people?
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: viraldrome]
#26804383 - 07/04/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You’re talking to them.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: lowbrow] 2
#26804402 - 07/04/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: lowbrow]
#26804995 - 07/05/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: Sounds like you probably got it right.
It's gotta be it. I can't think of any other reason, I know they're stupid but they can't be THAT stupid. Surely they know, like I know, and like you likely know, that once a claim like "white supremacists did it" or whoever they blame for it, the media that defends them may make some meager apology, but the initial false reporting is what makes more of an impact. I already know the organizers use actual peaceful protesters as scapegoats and meat shields but I wonder how many people actually realize how stupid and dangerous it is to sit in the middle of a freeway at night in all black.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: viraldrome]
#26805109 - 07/05/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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viraldrome said: What happened to all the normal people?
So far in this thread its just you.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Asante] 1
#26805111 - 07/05/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya. I'm pretty fucked in the head too.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Eminence]
#26805221 - 07/05/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said:
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lowbrow said: Sounds like you probably got it right.
It's gotta be it. I can't think of any other reason, I know they're stupid but they can't be THAT stupid. Surely they know, like I know, and like you likely know, that once a claim like "white supremacists did it" or whoever they blame for it, the media that defends them may make some meager apology, but the initial false reporting is what makes more of an impact. I already know the organizers use actual peaceful protesters as scapegoats and meat shields but I wonder how many people actually realize how stupid and dangerous it is to sit in the middle of a freeway at night in all black.
Let's be completely honest here, most of those people on the highway aren't sophisticated people. They're young and motivated by many different factors. Do you know what would be really disappointing? Attempting to have an articulate and intelligent conversation with anyone of them.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: qman]
#26805321 - 07/05/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you even could, they don't allow each other to even try to talk to anyone else.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Eminence]
#26805364 - 07/05/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I say give them a state and see how well they manage. Oh, wait, the CHOP was just that. Yeah, they are definitely a creative bunch. I'm not buying what they're selling.
I don't think there's a more absurd way to behave than how these folks are behaving.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Eminence] 1
#26805478 - 07/05/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why are you calling them communists? Some are communists, some are anarchists, some are just young adrenalin junkies.
Communists are usually into centralized leadership. I'm not seeing that here.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26805525 - 07/05/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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communism is an ideology
you're assuming those people adhere to it
hth
if you actually want to understand why communism makes sense in the context of the present technological moment and you dont feel like actually reading books, have a listen
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Eminence]
#26805567 - 07/05/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, real communists essentially just believe that workers are being exploited by the rich and the people who control the society. The workers do all the work, but the rich and the people in charge receive all the profit and rewards. They see history as a struggle between the workers and the people controlling/ruling them, a struggle essentially to keep the workers enslaved so that the people in charge can continue their amazing lifestyles.
That's the really dangerous part about communism is that the things it starts out believing and what it ultimately results in are very different. It's core beliefs about workers being exploited aren't bad or evil or anything, and there is some legitimate insight that they provide, but look at what happens to governments that actually go down that route like Cuba or China.
The problem is that if "the workers" aka "the people" own the factories and control the government, then "the workers" have to be represented by someone, and whoever that someone is ends up controlling everything and you just end up replacing democracy with dictatorship controlled by a handful of people. Suddenly "the people" own everything and "the people" are represented by the government, and the government is run by a dictator who owns everything and claims to represent "the people," and then bam there's no freedom and no rights and no voting and no multiparty democracy and everything goes to shit. You end up with the government owning everything, controlling everything, and the people having no rights, and the workers end up just as exploited as ever, in fact even more so because now they have no rights and no votes and no say in the government, etc. etc.
Ideologies that start off as relatively reasonable can very easily lead to dystopian nightmares.
I think the core problem is that all of the problems brought up by communism are not the fault of capitalism or democracy, they're the fault of human greed, selfishness, and corruption. Blaming capitalism and democracy is foolish, the problems with both of these things are not inherent to the things, they only reflect the selfishness and greed of the people that they're composed of. Capitalism and democracy are both good systems (probably the best that have ever been invented), but they're only reflections of the nature of the people who participate in them.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: nooneman]
#26805576 - 07/05/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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nooneman said: The problem is that if "the workers the companies" aka "the people the corporations the backbone of America" own the factories and control the government, then "the workers the companies" have to be represented by someone, and whoever that someone is ends up controlling everything and you just end up replacing democracy with dictatorship corporate fascism controlled by a handful of people industries. Suddenly "the people the corporations" own everything and "the people the corporations" are represented by the government, and the government is run by a dictator lobbyists who owns everything (including the media) and claims to represent "the people," and then bam there's no freedom and no rights and no voting and no multiparty democracy and everything goes to shit. You end up with the government owning everything nothing, (lobbyists and dirty money) controlling everything, and the people having no rights, and the workers end up just as exploited as ever, in fact even more so because now they have no rights and no votes and no say in the government, etc. etc.
Lets not resort to hyperbole.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26805586 - 07/05/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Why are you calling them communists? Some are communists, some are anarchists, some are just young adrenalin junkies.
Communists are usually into centralized leadership. I'm not seeing that here.
Because I always hear them promoting communism and idolizing communists..why do anarchists align with communists? Do they just enjoy getting in on the shit fests these people like to stir up? I can see that too. But the whole "decentralized" argument is worn out and makes no sense, they claim to have no centralized leadership and that, just like the black blocs, is just a way for them to avoid being arrested for the most part, but they have different chapters with leaders of those chapters, and all saying and doing the same things so there's some level of centralization.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Eminence] 1
#26805601 - 07/05/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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They may not know they're communists but they sure play for that team.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Asante]
#26805625 - 07/05/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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viraldrome said: What happened to all the normal people?
So far in this thread its just you.
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If I am the normal one we are in big fucking trouble
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: Eminence]
#26805666 - 07/05/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I’d say just take note of the people that are defending them.
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Re: Are communists masochists? [Re: nooneman]
#26805667 - 07/05/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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nooneman said: No, real communists essentially just believe that workers are being exploited by the rich and the people who control the society. The workers do all the work, but the rich and the people in charge receive all the profit and rewards. They see history as a struggle between the workers and the people controlling/ruling them, a struggle essentially to keep the workers enslaved so that the people in charge can continue their amazing lifestyles.
That's the really dangerous part about communism is that the things it starts out believing and what it ultimately results in are very different. It's core beliefs about workers being exploited aren't bad or evil or anything, and there is some legitimate insight that they provide, but look at what happens to governments that actually go down that route like Cuba or China.
The problem is that if "the workers" aka "the people" own the factories and control the government, then "the workers" have to be represented by someone, and whoever that someone is ends up controlling everything and you just end up replacing democracy with dictatorship controlled by a handful of people. Suddenly "the people" own everything and "the people" are represented by the government, and the government is run by a dictator who owns everything and claims to represent "the people," and then bam there's no freedom and no rights and no voting and no multiparty democracy and everything goes to shit. You end up with the government owning everything, controlling everything, and the people having no rights, and the workers end up just as exploited as ever, in fact even more so because now they have no rights and no votes and no say in the government, etc. etc.
Ideologies that start off as relatively reasonable can very easily lead to dystopian nightmares.
I think the core problem is that all of the problems brought up by communism are not the fault of capitalism or democracy, they're the fault of human greed, selfishness, and corruption. Blaming capitalism and democracy is foolish, the problems with both of these things are not inherent to the things, they only reflect the selfishness and greed of the people that they're composed of. Capitalism and democracy are both good systems (probably the best that have ever been invented), but they're only reflections of the nature of the people who participate in them.
Yes, you're dealing with the economic aspect to communism, but there's also a social aspect to it as well.
The people the OP is referring to is the social aspect, the narrative that everybody should be equal in terms of socioeconomic status. The narrative suggests that if everybody isn't equal in those terms, the people currently ahead need to be dealt with in some fashion.
The scapegoating of certain demographics or ideas becomes a social witch hunt. Disagree with the SJW and their initiatives and suffer the serious ramifications. Innocently suggesting that 'all lives matter' results in losing your job and career in this witch hunt like environment.
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