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Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction
    #26790345 - 06/28/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Everybody

So I've been reading shroomery for what seems about ten years and this is my first post! Seems like I'm jumping straight in at the deep end and would like some help with a little research project
I'm a gardener and forager, my days of constantly looking into trying new drugs to try are moreorless behind me but I do get a little curious about new stuff every now and again.

So I was wondering about the best way of harvesting and extracting opium from opium poppies. I've read some of the older posts on this forum which I'll link to at the bottom of this post, but I thought i'd ask for some clarification here on the best technique to use as there was so much information I couldn't get my head round it all. I'm looking (in an entirely hypothetical manner) to extract a smokeable opium from some poppies. I'm not interested in creating morphine or heroine.

So as far as I can tell there seem to be two main ways of doing this;

1. Scratching the poppy heads and collecting the latex a few hours later- but what to do with the collected latex?? It seems I could just dry it out directly but I could use someone confirming this for me. This also seems to be the traditional method

2. Just collecting a load of poppy heads and making a kind of tea from them by putting crushed heads on a low heat and essentially evaporating it down to a black sludge. This seems like an easier method to me (sidenote: I'm lazy) and I seem to remember hearing about some friends doing this back in the day

3. Some kind of tincture with the poppies in alcohol?  I make tinctures of other herbal plants so I'm pretty confident with the technique however I would like to try something a bit different


The previous threads I've seen about this

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2246638
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15564096
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/684341


Any help on this much appreciated!


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: naalookup]
    #26790423 - 06/28/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey. I don't have a ton of experience with poppies, but I have grown and used them a few times.

Cutting shallow slits in the seed pods is the traditional way to do it. The dried latex is raw opium, ready to use as is. Its kind of tedious, and the yield is pretty low...but its the easiest most reliable way.

You can also make tea out of the pods. I've personally never done that, but I know from other people that it does work. It can be hard to dose that way though, so you need to be careful. I would imagine you could evap the water off and use the sludge or tar or whatever it would look like.

I'm not sure about the tincture to be honest, it might work. I have tried an alcohol extract where I evaporated the alcohol off. I was going for a smokable extract...and it didn't work well. The alcohol isn't selective enough and pulls a lot other things you don't want. It smelled and looked good, but didn't really work for what I wanted it too.

Hope that helps, good luck!


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: hummingbird]
    #26791400 - 06/29/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey! Thanks for the reply, yes from everything I've read the slicing seems to be the most reliable technique and I guess it's tradition for a reason. I was hoping to go for the tea and evaoparted sludge technique though, mainly for reasons of ease and discretion. I've spent hours and hours trawling the internet trying to find instructions and I just feel a bit overwhelmed with it all!


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: naalookup]
    #26791566 - 06/29/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: BattyKoda]
    #26794985 - 06/30/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the video! was this done with P.somniferum or aother species? I would like to try with some tasmanians.
how were the fish and birds ater all those poppies lol?
SO after much reading, taking into account my need for discretion i was going to attempt the following

1. scrape the pods to get the latex flowing and then harvest them at the same time from the base of the pod to get as much raw opium as possible (i don't want to keep returning to the patch for obvious reasons), probably put them in some tupperware in order to be able to scrape any raw stuff that i can get then

2. split the crop into 2; one i'll blend down to straw to try and make tea with later and

3. for the other half attempt to do something as described in the video above by evaporating and reducing through water


does this sound like something that might work?


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: naalookup] * 1
    #26802518 - 07/04/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nice link @battykoda

This same method can be used on wild lettuce(lactuca virosa)that will yield a product with very similar pain killing effects as p.somniferum


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26802544 - 07/04/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Break fresh pods into small pieces.
Half fill a glass bottle with pods.
Warm water and a splash of lemon juice on top till full.
Steep for 24 hours giving it a shake and spin once or twice.
It'll go cloudy looking.

Pour contents into shallow glass or Pyrex tray through a cloth sieve.
Try and keep the water no deeper than 1cm pick a tray thats appropriate.
It'll just look like water...don't give up.
As it evaporates it'll once again start to form a post appearance.
Once it's evaporated what you are left with is what you are after.
You should yield 1/10 the weight of the initial pods weight.

If you get it soon enough it'll r3main malleable.
If you let it go all the way ittl turn into a type of shatter.

It can be smoked or consumed.
Be very careful if taking it any other way than smoked.


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: BattyKoda] * 1
    #26803488 - 07/04/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome video, been searching for what to do with all my poppies.

I am curious though, aren't we supposed to keep the tea under 90C to avoid the destruction of alkaloids?


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: IgnorantOne]
    #26803913 - 07/04/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks @pineninja i was going to try something of that nature, what kind of strength is the finished product? Obviously its relative bit i guess is it more like a chilled buzz or an "holy shit im gonna need to lie down" thanks so much everyone for your ideas btw


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: naalookup]
    #26804051 - 07/04/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you smoke it it's instant and noticeable.
It's also "safe" as you can really only get so much in.

You could easily kill yourself if you start turning it into teas.

It's potent.
It's also highly addictive and your tolerance will build from puff to puff.

I use it once or twice a year as a pain reliever and once or twice for fun.
Anymore than that and it won't tick either of those boxes.


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: pineninja]
    #26806166 - 07/06/20 03:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I've heard tea can be pretty easy to overdose too.

I really want to make some cough syrup from some someday. A natural version of the promethazine/codeine stuff that works so well...with some other herbs instead of promethazine and fake cherry flavor.


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: hummingbird]
    #26806221 - 07/06/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry mistake on the 10cm.
It's meant to be 1cm.
Surface area for rapid evap.


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: pineninja]
    #26806754 - 07/06/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As little water as necessary** lol.

Just made putty from an undefined weight of pods. Took almost 6 hours to evap the water and get a goop. That was on a double boil tho as I was scared to run the liquid too hot.

Now it's in pyrex sitting outside to finish drying. Obtained what looks to be several grams of dark brown/black putty. Was def going to make tea from it but you are claiming it is smokable? Would love to feel out potency before eating any.


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: IgnorantOne] * 1
    #26807341 - 07/06/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yep it's smokeable.
Just like a hash.
Tastes delicious.

The poppies here ripen during really hot weather so for me the evap has not really been an issue.

It's usually done in a 12hour period without DB.


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: IgnorantOne]
    #26809208 - 07/07/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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...Was def going to make tea from it but you are claiming it is smokable? Would love to feel out potency before eating any.






If you're wanting to consume tea, then why didn't you just make some tea and not evaporate the liquid?

Why would one make a tea, then evaporate all the liquid, only to add water back to the concentrate/putty to make it into a tea all over again? I don't see the point to that at all.

You had a tea before you evaporated the water...what was the point of evaporating the liquid if you're just wanting to add liquid back to it so you can drink it as a tea?






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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: openmind]
    #26810009 - 07/07/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Curiosity in my case. It is an interesting novelty.


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: IgnorantOne]
    #26872081 - 08/09/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Did you ever smoke the putty? How'd it go?


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Re: Opium Poppy Harvesting and Extraction [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26872441 - 08/09/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I tried and it seemed like I got rather high on it but it could also be a placebo. Wound up just making tea a few times out of the goop which was nice.
Putty is a cool novelty, it is more efficient to shred your pods though.

Now, since I have harvested, I have a fuck load of dried plants. Am wondering if I can extract any worthwhile alkaloids, isolate them, and precip them somehow. Have read you can do something with the morphine but it needs more research.


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