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Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird
    #26802442 - 07/03/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Im done with drugs, seriously. These gaba drugs have been a fucking shitshow for me. Ive gotten off opiates and it was awful but these gaba drugs have me feeling like im about to die. Im better right now but holy shit. Im 12 days phenibut free, but now the gabapentin started making me feel panicked and awful so I have to take very low doses, or ill have withdrawals from a combo of gabapentin and the phenibut still.

Ive taken gabapentin for 12 days. How long do gabapentin WD last for someone like me? Im able to be content, and manageable and dear god thats all I need. I started using these “odd” substances bc I get drug tested, only another 60 or so days left. Ive really been through a lot these last 4 or so months. These gaba drugs have made my HPPD worse and I just want to be healthy.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic] * 1
    #26802502 - 07/04/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Taper off slowly but steadily and it will be less shitty with each passing drop in dosage. Don't complicate it by adding another substance in the mix, you're pretty much in the clear if you stay off the phenibut and gradually taper off the gabapentin. You got this. Toss it all when you're in the clear.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird *DELETED* [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: TheEschatologist] * 1
    #26802891 - 07/04/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

L-theanine, lemon balm, ashwaghanda, valerian, bacopa and others can all help slightly to make gaba drug withdrawals more tolerable, though they won't saturate the receptors as strongly so it'll still be a miserable time. They can help ease the transition a little more and keep you sane though. Even just the act of taking something can provide a powerful psychosomatic effect.

I'd personally avoid using any gaba drug for more than a few days in a row. Suppressing glutamate inevitably has a rebound effect, the brain goes haywire once the flood gates get reopened. Anxiety and overall restless/unease sky rockets, seizures and delirium become more likely... miserable stuff.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26803644 - 07/04/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I went over board with phenibut and have basically been in one big panick attack since then. And I have problems breathing. It's been like 3 years.

If anyone knows something that might help me function decently, let me know. Haven't tried any benzo to help me. Tried everything natural and am going to a psychiatrist right now and am going through all the bullshit psych meds.

Kratom helps me a lot, but I'm still a paranoid mess that can't breathe well most of the time.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: Distorted Vision] * 1
    #26803651 - 07/04/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

GABA drugs are a fucking shitshow.

Alcohol, Barbiturates, Benzodiazepines, GHB.

Look at what havoc they wreak.

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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: Asante]
    #26803700 - 07/04/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Do you know of any way to help my anxiety? Or did I permanantly fuck my brain? Alcohol is a GABA drug? That might explain why I can't drink 2 beers without being in panic attacks and barely breathing for days.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26803742 - 07/04/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The best thing to do with GABA drugs is taper carefully and if possible quit them altogether.

The longer you use em, and the higher the doses, the worse the outcomes.

I myself am on a prescribed dose of 5mg diazepam. I use that strength of benzo for 25 years now. It doesnt cause me noticable trouble and does seem to help so I let it be, but I'm sure its not good for me and I definitely am habituated to it with withdrawal if I quit.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26803955 - 07/04/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Gabapentin isnt a gaba drug
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Gabapentin is a gabapentinoid, or a ligand of the auxiliary α2δ subunit site of certain voltage-dependent calcium channels (VDCCs), and thereby acts as an inhibitor of α2δ subunit-containing VDCCs.[92][10] There are two drug-binding α2δ subunits, α2δ-1 and α2δ-2, and gabapentin shows similar affinity for (and hence lack of selectivity between) these two sites.[10] Gabapentin is selective in its binding to the α2δ VDCC subunit.[92][93] Despite the fact that gabapentin is a GABA analogue, and in spite of its name, it does not bind to the GABA receptors, does not convert into GABA or another GABA receptor agonist in vivo, and does not modulate GABA transport or metabolism.[92][12] There is currently no evidence that the effects of gabapentin are mediated by any mechanism other than inhibition of α2δ-containing VDCCs.[94][92] In accordance, inhibition of α2δ-1-containing VDCCs by gabapentin appears to be responsible for its anticonvulsant, analgesic, and anxiolytic effects.[92][94]



but you can have withdrawal from it.

How slowly you need to taper depends on the dose youre taking. The amount of gabapentin that your body absorbs goes down pretty dramstically at higher doses; ie, if you are taking 1200mg versus 3600mg, youre not absorbing anywhere close to 2400 additional milligrams, but if you're taking 100mg versus 200mg you are likely absorbing almost 100 additional milligrams.

I was able to reduce my dose by half, from 2400mg per day to 1200mg per day, without any intermediary taper dose. Didnt notice any difference.

I personally like gabapentin, though. It helps me stay on a more even emotional keel. So I still take it. Have been doing so for almost a decade, and my body and brain seem to be doing well enough. My BMI is 21 and my total cholesterol is 130. My vision is tiny bit wonky but nothing that bothers me.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: morrowasted]
    #26804197 - 07/04/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ive been taking gabas for two weeks  now to get off phenibut. I was taking high doses until they started giving me anxiety and shit. I dropped my normal doses by 3/4 or so. Now I feel some WD and I cant tell if its from phenibut or gabapentin... id be surprised to have WD from such short use. Any help in countering the negatives from gabapentin?

I used gaba occasionally for years and never had negative feelings from it before.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26804218 - 07/04/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

just reduce your dose if it's affecting you too negatively. the gabapentin doesn't really help you get off GABAergic drugs in the way you probably think it does, it may just make the experience less uncomfortable, as with opioids. I would personally use clonidine and benadryl for 3-7 days or so and just try to sleep through the W/D.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: morrowasted]
    #26804259 - 07/04/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Op you wrekt your gaba/glutamate system.. that shit is semi permanent, if not full perm. But it will last years


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: chutney]
    #26804272 - 07/04/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: Amanita86]
    #26804359 - 07/04/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Op checkout benzobuddies
.. people there who have been clean for years and still neurologically wrekt


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird *DELETED* [Re: chutney]
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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26804627 - 07/05/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I am probably one of the very few here who has very little to no idea what these drugs are

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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: Atreyu] * 1
    #26804631 - 07/05/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nothing is permanent. Build your nervous syst strength doing cardio and resistance training.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: Shiithead]
    #26804891 - 07/05/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You can possibly use kratom to find your way off gabs. I will say this. If you take gabapentin and mescaline together. It is an unexplainable combo thats worth trying.


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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: Grungeman17]
    #26805396 - 07/05/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Grungeman17 said:
You can possibly use kratom to find your way off gabs. I will say this. If you take gabapentin and mescaline together. It is an unexplainable combo thats worth trying.



it is very explainable, both make your vision go wonky :lol: taking gabapentinoids is a surefire way to boost the visual aspect of any psychedelic experience

ive seen a medical staff member have full fledged hallucinations from lyrica alone. she was looking at a chalkboard and started seeing x-rays on it.



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Re: Used gabapentin to get off phenibut, now gabapentin makes me feel weird [Re: morrowasted]
    #26805421 - 07/05/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I was prescribed gabbs for a pinched nerve, that made me feel weird also. I will say I drank on them an was plastered that was when I quite taking thrm


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