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Invisiblemaxmush
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Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies
    #26802165 - 07/03/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I cant seem to find a conclusive answer to this? What are the benefits of the different recipes? I like to KSS, so it seems to me most of the recipes are adding unnecessary materials and time to the procedure. Bless me with your knowledge :smile:


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: maxmush]
    #26802182 - 07/03/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

what is the KSS technique

myself I found different ones aswell maybe trying one of these out
or give your opinion on them please

5 gr of agar
5 gr of malt extract
250ml of clean water

1Liter of clean water
20 gr barley malt extract
20 gram  agar
2 gram nutricional yeast

22 g agar
12 g light malt extract
1 g yeast extract
1/4 tsp organic grain flour
(rotate among oats, cornmeal, amaranth, rice, millet, rye or any other starch or sugar you can think of)
5 g hardwood sawdust or wood fuel pellets
1 L tap water
8 mL 3% hydrogen peroxide (optional, added after sterilization & cooling; see below.)
( i got this one out of a book but its more complicated than the others so i see your point, what is the policy about posting refrences sites and other links im new to this site


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Invisiblemaxmush
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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: ProNoia]
    #26802197 - 07/03/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

KSS or KISS = keep it simple (stupid) lol. I just cant seem to figure out what the advantages are, if any, over a simple recipe of MEA?


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: maxmush]
    #26802214 - 07/03/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

A lot of it is just what is easiest to get around your area, what works best for you, and what you have experience with. For just starting out, a simple LME agar recipe is gonna be perfectly fine. Or you could try a PDA recipe. Whatever you can get your hands on easiest and you think you feel the most comfortable with. After you get more experience, you may play around with other recipes and see if you like others more or less than the one you're using currently.


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: Gan]
    #26802219 - 07/03/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

okay in my area everything can be bought
so do you recommend my 3th recipe the one i got outta a book
because im still in buying fase and planning first grow

the pros are that its a published book so there cant be bullshit in it
maybe by this time the book recipe is allready absolute and there are better ways to do so?


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: ProNoia]
    #26802231 - 07/03/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'd just recommend a LME and agar powder recipe. KISS. That third recipe seems way to complicated for what we need. Also, the hydrogen peroxide will hurt more than help and cubensis varieties dont need a wood source like saw dust.

I just run a recipe of:
500 mL water
10 g agar agar powder
8 g LME powder

I use distilled water cause my tap water is extremely hard (mineral rich) but if you have normal tap water it will be fine. If you dont wanna use LME look up a PDA (potato dextrose agar) recipe.

Once you prep grains in the future, save your strained off water from your grains. Grain water agar is my favorite.


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: Gan]
    #26802240 - 07/03/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Everything is available in my area :smile: I guess my question is what are the advantages of more complicated recipes?


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: Gan]
    #26802244 - 07/03/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

okay thank you for the help

i would like to go 50% bird seed 50% pop corn for my spawn
and i would like to follow up with a substrate of straw pallets
maybe mixed with some other stuff
can you recommend me some?

and how can i check if my local tap water is rich in minerals?
and how to demineralise it if so?
or is it more rendable to just buy the distilled water


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: ProNoia]
    #26802286 - 07/03/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

ProNoia said:
the pros are that its a published book so there cant be bullshit in it





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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: ProNoia]
    #26802302 - 07/03/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just buy distilled if you have concerns about mineral content. BTW most books are outdated.


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: TheDoobsker]
    #26802862 - 07/04/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

never read that book before so I dont know if its BS but I caqn understand where ya comming from ahaha


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: Gan]
    #26805040 - 07/05/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

what about a popcorn spawn for cubensis and a straw/ wood pallet  for substrate?
is it okay for a substrate just not for the agar recipe


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: ProNoia]
    #26805259 - 07/05/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Popcorn can work. It's not a preferred grain for many though.

There's no reason to use straw or wood substrates for normal cubes. A straight coir substrate is what you want. Can also mix some verm in there if you want.


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: Gan]
    #26805607 - 07/05/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I get better growth on dog food agar and malt dextrose agar than just malt or dextrose. More variety of nutrition makes for better agar imo. The other thing is to switch nutrients every 2 transfers or so if you're cleaning or isolating on agar. I keep a few stacks of DFA and a few stacks of MDA and just switch back and forth with every transfer. Also, I found these little PP5 containers on amazon that I use over and over again, PC no problems. 20 cents a piece. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0795CHXPR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: ProNoia]
    #26805874 - 07/05/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I love popcorn spawn cause the mycelium breaks apart easily and it looks cool.  Wouldn't use it for substrate.


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Re: Quick question: benefits of different agar recipies [Re: fightingcherries]
    #26805919 - 07/05/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I like to KISS + lazy and the results are damn good with just agar DME and water. I add a couple drops of blue food coloring to give some contrast


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