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First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb?
    #26801933 - 07/03/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hi guys,

Firstly a big thank you to this community as I’ve used it extensively for my research and not posted at all. I feel I want to add to it and also have some questions I cannot find answers for thus far.

I’m currently in colonising stage of my first and only monotub. Breakdown:

2 quart jars colonised spawned to 50:50 of coir and verm.
Probably a 4:1 ratio, with subtrate being the bigger part (I know this is probably way low on the ratio side but its what I had and the tub is big so to get my 3 inch this is what happened) substrate was pasterised using the oven tek. field capacity probably higher than it should be but slightly.

Kept the tub wrapped in bin bag with polyfil stuffed holes to begin with. I didn't tape the holes and so after reading high Co2 is good i wrapped up the tub with no tape to hand. After 10 days i saw barely anything. very very wet tub though with lots of dripping condensation. I wiped this down once and then placed into a small cupboard to get some FAE through the polyfill but not loads. its taken off now and seeing a lot more but I'm worried I'm seeing good mycelium growth (the shooting up part) but also with something that looks like cobweb setting in.

Any ideas in your experience if this is looking any good? I feel the high reaching white areas are good growth, but the lower-lying whispy stuff concerns me. The tub is dripping wet from the lid. kept at around 75-85F in the dark.

Ive heard about using ho2o to 'melt' the cobweb? if its that? Is this good practice or shall I leave it? or is it all mycelium or all cobweb contam of some sort. Concerned as its my only tub so want to try and fix if poss.

Any help massively appreciated. Thanks in advance from a very much newbie grower. i have done so much research and i must say so many views are very conflicting with people feeling very strongly in very different directions. I know its circumstantial and everyone has success with different ways/climates.

Your views would be most welcome though. Hello all!


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
    #26801987 - 07/03/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Impossible to say for sure without a pic or two.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: Sits]
    #26802010 - 07/03/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey man, yeh apologies I made the post with the intention of editing it and adding pics. Struggling to do it and it won't let me upload jpeg files?? so strange.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
    #26802036 - 07/03/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You'll have to save as or convert to .jpg .gif or .png I guess.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
    #26802050 - 07/03/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)









Sorry that took forever. I had no idea I had to upload first then use. My newbie-ness showing off there...


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
    #26802053 - 07/03/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: Papes]
    #26802104 - 07/03/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not experienced enough to tell you if that's mold or not for sure but it doesn't look great.

First off, we don't keep mycelium in the dark at any stage these days. Should be on a 12/12 lighting cycle.

There's also no need to put a monotub into a bag.

You should be using a smaller tub for 2 quarts of spawn IMO.

The spiky rhizo bits make me think the sub is starving for air.

I don't know how you should proceed with this tub (I'm sure someone else will chime in) but here's a link to a list of Teks that are current

75-85 is going to put you at risk for a lot of contams. 72 degrees is ideal.

You need to read the teks I linked above and go back to the drawing board for your next grow.

Good luck!


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: Sits]
    #26802758 - 07/04/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Cheers for the response. Yeh I've been seeing light is good. But will it be ok to just leave in a bedroom or somewhere with a lot of movement and large room. As I don't have spare small rooms etc the people seem to have.

Also the bag was only used to keep Co2 levels up. as you can see I taped my poly in (won't do next time) so it was going to be a long process to retake them shut.

I think its too wet. Im going to try to wipe some moisture off the lid and lower the temp but I just don't know where to put it really after that?


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
    #26802824 - 07/04/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You should unlatch the lid immediately, or flip the lid upside down,
so you have airgaps.
Never wrap your tubs to colonize, there should be decent airflow from the start.
Too high CO2 levels lead to contams, that`s proven here.
Imagine the temps in the tub wrapped in a bag, with a room temperature
about 85°F.
As Sits mentioned, if this will fuck up, what i fear,
do a mini mono or a shoebox, and learn from it.
This way you won`t lose that much if you make mistakes.
And research that link.
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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: Goatrider]
    #26802896 - 07/04/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

We need clearer shots of the thin stuff.

The thick patches are myc but I think the rest is mold.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26802920 - 07/04/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:

And please take the lid off for a shot,
noone could give you advice on pics with condensated plastic.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: Goatrider]
    #26809023 - 07/07/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Apologies in the delay but here are some lid off shots. When wrapped and in the hot airing cupboard it took off massively. Now its not changed all that much since I took it out and its sitting at 80% RH and about 70-75 F.

I thought there wasn't much to lose from the replies and further research into cobweb and sprayed the tub with a diluted Hydrogen peroxide. Seems to have really disrupted what I assumed was cobweb and the MC looks the same.

But yeh seems to have stalled and I have no idea how set in that stuff was, or even what it was.

Hope these pics give people a clearer indication.

Thanks








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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
    #26809043 - 07/07/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry it kept saying my picture has been deleted but it hasn't. Clitching somehow. Hopefully your able to click on them and have a good look. Cheers in advance. All opinions appreciated.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
    #26836446 - 07/21/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



This is what happened ha? so very little worked and the rest didn't.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: mcrain]
    #26836478 - 07/21/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, those earlier pictures show cobweb contamination.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: skullhuman]
    #26836492 - 07/21/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I would only use H2O2 to stave off cobweb if the sub was at the point of pinning just so I could get a few fruits before tossing it.  If cobweb takes over in the early stages of colonization like it looks like it did here, I would get rid of it right then and try again.  How are you preparing your spawn? Agar really is the best way to be sure of what you're getting in those jars.


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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: skullhuman]
    #26836499 - 07/21/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So why now do I have fruits appearing? surely if its contaminated the whole project is doomed?

Ive now just got 6/7 mushies growing and a few pins too the should come up.

If its contained surely this shouldn't happen. Wont the rest of it now catch up for a second flush and the rest become more of a mycelium block? as you can see its just a mass of un colonised sublate with colonised parts and big shrooms. im lost!!




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Re: First monotub, looking good or is this cobweb? [Re: skullhuman]
    #26836509 - 07/21/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for your response also. But surely this proves that not throwing it and fighting the cobweb with H202 has worked to some degree. I mean I have something when I thought it was doomed.

Do you think the H202 would have prevented the rest from colonising. it was the middle I mainly sprayed it, and as you can see not much has appeared there?


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