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ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea? NZ 4
#26781059 - 06/25/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Location: South Island, New Zealand
Habitat: Growing from horse poo in a grassy paddock. The original patch is on a hill and is mostly shaded and stays quite damp. Tall grasses, moss, bracken and pines are nearby. I found another patch nearby in a damp shaded gully.
Gills: Grey/brown
Stem: Mottled, thin but some what sturdy, height approx 3.00 cm - 10.00 cm
Cap: Brown, conical, approx 1.0 cm -1.5cm diameter. Tacky. A cap suck to paper and I would say it was a separable gelatinous pellicle that I observed. A quite stretchy pellicle.
Spore print color: Purple/brown
Bruising: Bluing seen in the mycelium in the horse poo, in some pins and at the base of stem.
Taste: Fresh normal shroom taste to begin and then slightly sweet with almost an liquorice or aniseed tang.
I've been investigating the mushrooms in this paddock for a few days now and there are piles of horse poo spread over a about 100m sq. At first I thought they were mostly all Deconica coprophila. There are some Protostropharia semiglobata there too. I'll put up more photos later. Thanks for any help.
Edited by Bagels (01/29/22 11:52 AM)
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Bagels]
#26781066 - 06/25/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like it for sure, but that's not cow dung. Are they reported to grow from Horse dung as well?
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Allium]
#26781069 - 06/25/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I keep looking, and those are almost certainly Psilocybes of some kind.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Allium]
#26781076 - 06/25/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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They seem to find them in horse poo in Aussie
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Bagels]
#26781088 - 06/25/20 03:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Loving the bluing myc. I would say alutacea based on that. Dont think coprophilic mushrooms discriminate between animals.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: OOISI]
#26781100 - 06/25/20 03:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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OOISI said: Dont think coprophilic mushrooms discriminate between animals.
The different species have somewhat different preferences.
I'm not sure if I remember correctly or not, but I think inski mentioned P. fimetaria, which favours horse dung, was found growing in NZ. Bagels, you should keep these for further study.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Anglerfish]
#26781175 - 06/25/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey that's interesting Anglerfish. Thanks very much  I brought home that one horse poo and all. So many of them look the same it's a headache.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Anglerfish]
#26781183 - 06/25/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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OOISI said: Dont think coprophilic mushrooms discriminate between animals.
The different species have somewhat different preferences.
I'm not sure if I remember correctly or not, but I think inski mentioned P. fimetaria, which favours horse dung, was found growing in NZ. Bagels, you should keep these for further study.
Cool find! 
Oh really, cool to know. Havent had much experience with dung lovers, so i shouldnt have assumed.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: OOISI]
#26781196 - 06/25/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bagels said: I brought home that one horse poo and all.
Keep it humid in a plastic container or something similar, maybe it'll produce more fruits. Would be interesting to see young specimens and how the veil develops.
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OOISI said: Oh really, cool to know. Havent had much experience with dung lovers, so i shouldnt have assumed.
Mind you I haven't either. And I'm not 100% about the P. fimetaria find in NZ, I might remember incorrectly. If inski is around he might elaborate.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Anglerfish]
#26781284 - 06/25/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anglerfish said:
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OOISI said: Dont think coprophilic mushrooms discriminate between animals.
The different species have somewhat different preferences.
I'm not sure if I remember correctly or not, but I think inski mentioned P. fimetaria, which favours horse dung, was found growing in NZ. Bagels, you should keep these for further study.
Cool find! 
Inski mentions P. fimetaria growing in NZ in this post:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26312690#26312690
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: circles]
#26781631 - 06/25/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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circles said: Inski mentions P. fimetaria growing in NZ in this post:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26312690#26312690
Ahh, nice one, thanks. That is indeed the thread I was thinking about. He also says P. alutacea and P. fimetaria needs DNA sequences to be distinguished from one another.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Anglerfish]
#26782781 - 06/25/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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circles said: Inski mentions P. fimetaria growing in NZ in this post:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26312690#26312690
Ahh, nice one, thanks. That is indeed the thread I was thinking about. He also says P. alutacea and P. fimetaria needs DNA sequences to be distinguished from one another.
Thanks guys. The collection is here: https://nzfungi2.landcareresearch.co.nz/default.aspx?selected=NameDetails&TabNum=0&NameId=1EA0287C-8C8B-493A-836E-4A3B1E64F625 and it was P. alutacea after all.
Edit to fix link
Edited by Bagels (07/13/20 09:22 PM)
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Bagels]
#26798619 - 07/02/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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With that bruising mycelium and stipe base I would be confident that these are the goods.
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RogerTheRetard said: With that bruising mycelium and stipe base I would be confident that these are the goods.
That said, if you collected these they ought to display bruise bruising even further after being handled, no?
I'll be keen to see more images and more specimens and more data.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: HAKR ELITE] 1
#26800665 - 07/03/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought they might of all been frosted away. Habitat - grassy hillside. I lifted the horse poo and turned it over and found the little blue almost pin. Caps are a a bit tacky and not really sticky like the Deconica sp. I find.
@Roger No blue bruising with handling so far.
I tasted one and it was quite nice. Fresh normal shroom taste to begin and then slightly sweet with almost an liquorice or aniseed tang. Then I remembered on the way home that it was growing from horse poo..
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Bagels]
#26801866 - 07/03/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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inski, where you at dawg...
This is your territory...
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Further up the hill and all in close proximity. I was finding it hard to see what I was trying to photograph.
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Re: ID Request - Psilocybe alutacea [Re: Bagels]
#26802670 - 07/04/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does anyone here know much about the macroscopic differences between Psilocybe alutacea and Deconica species? Seems both have purple spores, could be a bit of a task to differentiate?
I know next to nothing about Psilocybe alutacea, not my expertise
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I think I know how to get them to bruise blue now. Last ones collected today are at the top of the 4th pic. Very wet there today after a couple days of rain. My camera is steaming up.
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