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Cybes DMT extraction question
#26801446 - 07/03/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Without sounding arrogant, I'm extremely busy and often times I find that I have to break extractions up into maybe several days.
Regarding Cybes Tek, can someone please answer me the following:
1. After I do the step where I mix up the MHRB with the water and vinegar and boil it for an hour, can I then wait until the next day to add the salt and lye?
2. After I add the salt and the lye, can I wait a day to boil it again?
3. After I add the Naphtha, can I wait a day to boil it and keep re-separating the layers?
In any case, if it is okay to wait until the next day, should I just jar everything up and leave it at room temperature in the house?
This would help me a lot thank you guys!
*When I say "boil" everywhere I mean the hot bath
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26801631 - 07/03/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly I find the best and fastest method is STB (straight to basic). I used the acid to base and although I got slightly cleaner crystals I felt it took to much time and was not worth it. The method I use is add powder (I use ACRBP cause its cheaper) add water stir add sodium hydroxide shake let sit an hour add naptha then roll it around be carefull not to shake cause you will get an emulsion. Then take 3 pulls seal it and put in freezer for 3 days. You should get at least 95% DMT pureity probably more if you use MHRBP but you can leave it as long as you want. One time I got high on weed and thought the cops were going to raid me so I put jars in the atic stuffing and left freebased liquid for a week. This was in the summer and it easily got over 100 degrees it still worked fine though feel free to take as much time as you need it wont hurt anything.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: OGshroomHead]
#26802738 - 07/04/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah it's fine to leave parts sit for days, or even months between steps. I have a bottle of based bark that has been sat there since last year some time. Been thinking about that recently.
Just don't leave your solvent sat there though, it will absorb uber amounts of crap and wreck your pull. Do that final stage at once.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26803334 - 07/04/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You mean the Naphtha stage right?
Perfect. Thank you so much sir!
One slight other question I'm actually posting right now - does this look right to you? I followed the tek to the T. Thanks!


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26803797 - 07/04/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like you've pulled a lot of crap with the spice, really dirty... Too dirty to re-x.
I would warm the whole lot up in a sink of warm water and then pour it in a half jar of vinegar. Shake the living fuck out of it for 10 minutes, let it settle, pull the vinegar out from under it and put it in a new jar. All the spice will then be in your vinegar. Base it, it will turn white. Add some fresh clean solvent and shake the fuck out of it again and pull X 3. Then freeze those pulls for clean white spice.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26803828 - 07/04/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or you can just leave it freeze a day or so and tip off the old solvent, dump those dirty chunks in a shot glass with fresh solvent, heat gently in a hot water bath, when all dissolved tip off the solvent leaving as much of the gunk as possible. Then evap the solvent. I suspect that you've picked up so many tannins that this won't work for you though.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26803868 - 07/04/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wait can't I just heat it up so that the basic layer and the Naphtha layer separate and then just suck off the Naphtha layer?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26804198 - 07/04/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought that was just your solvent?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26804221 - 07/04/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is my final frozen product. I am told I have done it wrong because I pulled a lot of the basic layer from underneath. Is that not why it looks bad?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26804538 - 07/05/20 02:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah okay...
Warm it up so the DMT remelts and pull the solvent off without the base, then refreeze it.
Basic layer is poison. You want none of it.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26804635 - 07/05/20 05:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Forgive me I guess I'm a little lost:
Someone on another forum is saying that it's likely too late to separate them at this point Because I pulled too much of an emulsion.
What exactly can I do to save this?
And what did I do to cause this? Instead of "figure eighting" the Naphtha I shook it up pretty good but I can't just get the feeling that in either case you would get emulsion.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26804658 - 07/05/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't shake your jar at all. Shaking is what causes emulsions. I only stirr my solution a bit with a big spoon, shaking (or repeatedly turning the jar upside down ) is not needed at all.
Just pour everything into a big jar, add some more water and more lye, heat it up in a hot waterbath, stirr slightly, let stand for an hour or three, or a day. The emulsion should fade leaving two separate layers. Then suck off the naphtha layer without getting any drop of the basic solution into your pipette /syringe.
Better leave in a naphtha layer of half an inch or so, just to be sure you don't get any of the black solution. You are going to repeat pulling with fresh naphtha several times more anyway, so the half inch layer is not lost but will get out with the next pull.
Ps: Cybes tek is outdated. With mhrb all you need to do is to mix water, lye, bark and naphtha in a big jar, let stand overnight, suck off naphta layer, evape or freeze, done. No salt, heat, vinegar or filtering is needed at all. Just mix, and suck off the next day. 5min of work in total.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26804735 - 07/05/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it seriously that easy?
I might find the time for an extraction then...
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu]
#26804749 - 07/05/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pretty much, yeah. That's what I do all the time, with good results.
Depending on the vendor, a kilo of mhrb is 100 to 150 bucks. You'll get 10 to 15 grams of dmt within two days or so. That's less than 10 bucks per gram. Totally worth it, imo.
This is roughly an ounce of dmt, made from 2 kilos mhrb.

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26804962 - 07/05/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay well would you say that minus the vinegar and salt part that all of the other proportions in Cybe's Tek are correct?
Also, you said just throw everything in a jar overnight. What about the hot bath part?
Maybe rather than posting here back and forth I could message you and have a few moments of your time? I would really appreciate it.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26804987 - 07/05/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can just ask your questions here. In future anyone else can read it, too. That's the purpose (and advantage) of a forum, you know? But hey, feel free to PM me, sure. I get tons of PMs each week.
No need for heat. Heating up the solution will speed up the process a bit, but also releases more oils and fats that are then also pulled with the naphtha, leading to a more yellow endproduct. Roomtemp is totally fine.
Salt is not necessary, but it helps pushing the freebased alkaloids into the naphtha. So there's nothing wrong with adding some salt. But you will get the same yields and the same endpruoduct without any salt. You might need a pull more or two, but that's it.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805006 - 07/05/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay I added in some water and some lye and it is heating up as we speak:
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805021 - 07/05/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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For the future, would you say that I should do:
50g MHRB 50g Lye 700ml water 50ml Naphtha
Put it all into a jar and stir but don't shake it. Let it sit for a day. Extract the Naphtha layer and put it into the freezer. Add another 50 ml of Naphtha. Stir it. Let it separate. Extract it and put it into the freezer. Repeat 4x.
Anything else worth mentioning?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26805025 - 07/05/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Better pour it into another container, like a mason jar or so. The smaller the diameter of the jar, the bigger /thicker the NP layer will be, then it's easier to suck out without touching the water layer.
Your solution is very yellow. That's not bad, but it seems you used a lot of heat. Without heat, the naphtha usually stays completly translucent and white, with only a very slight hint of yellow. The more yellow the naphtha, the more yellow the crystals.
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Concerning the second post: Yes, that's how I do it. I use more naphtha, though. Given this ratio I'd use at least 100ml, maybe 150ml. Naphtha can only pull a limited ammount of dmt, especially at roomtemp. So the more naphtha you use, the more dmt it can pull in one go.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805039 - 07/05/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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And before you put it into the freezer, its best to let some naphtha evaporate. Evape so much that the solvent becomes cloudy when you blow on it. Cloudy means it is saturated. Crystals will form easier and faster then.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805044 - 07/05/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you. So I have this now. Actually it kind of looks like there are three layers in a way (like white-ish layer in the middle). Should I cool this down or should I try and extract the top layer now?
Also, should I be trying to extract the white layer in the middle as well or no? Thanks again.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26805056 - 07/05/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks good. Don't cool it down, keep it warm and extract the top layer only.
Don't know what this middle layer is. Better leave it where it is.  Could be that the naphtha is over saturated with dmt, then crystals will start crashing out as it cools down and float in the naphtha. This could look like a third white layer. But I'm not sure if this is the case here. If it is, then the layer should fade or disappear once you heat the naphtha up a bit. Hot naphtha can hold more dmt than cold naphtha. That's why freeze precipitation works in the first place.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805116 - 07/05/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So if I now want to do this with some heavier amounts, six times the ratio with be:
300g MHRB (powdered) 300g Lye 750mL Naphtha 2100mL water
Put all of this into a massive glass jug (obviously I have to add lye slowly). I then let it sit at room temperature for a day. I then come back and extract the top Naphtha layer and put it into a pyrex dish. I then leave it in front of a fan for a while until it starts to get cloudy. I then put it in the freezer. I then add in more Naphtha to the gallon jug and repeat again 4 more times.
ANYTHING ELSE sir?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26805130 - 07/05/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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One thing is wrong. The ammount of lye is too much.
100g lye per liter of water is more than enough.
The ammount of bark is irrelevant, it's the lye-to-water ratio that determins the pH of the solution. 100g per liter is what I use, and that's already on the high end.
But anything else sounds right. 
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805145 - 07/05/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So it should be 210g of Lye then? Because I have it at 2100mL.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
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Yes. 200g should be plenty.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805279 - 07/05/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've done hundreds of extractions on many different types of bark and leaves. I'm more than a one trick pony.
You could have removed the DMT from all that crap with clean vinegar.. then base and pulled it crystal clean.
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When backsalting straight to vinegar emulsions do not form, shaking is perfectly fine. It is a way to remove all the crap from a dirty pull that contains many tannins or fats. Here is an example of a heavily shaken jar with very dirty solvent. Guess where the DMT is. (hint: not in the yucky bit)

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Why? There is nothing left to base out. Does nothing. He could have just sucked the solvent straight out of the dish. When getting near the bottom just tipped the dish so it pooled in a corner and grabbed the last bit.
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Pandemoon said: Better leave in a naphtha layer of half an inch or so, just to be sure you don't get any of the black solution. You are going to repeat pulling with fresh naphtha several times more anyway, so the half inch layer is not lost but will get out with the next pull. -
That's good advice
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Pandemoon said: Ps: Cybes tek is outdated. With mhrb all you need to do is to mix water, lye, bark and naphtha in a big jar, let stand overnight, suck off naphta layer, evape or freeze, done. No salt, heat, vinegar or filtering is needed at all. Just mix, and suck off the next day. 5min of work in total. -
Yeah, STB is the way with MHRB. Cybs tek is no good for MHRB. It's still a decent way to approach ACRB and other DMT containing plants. Though I don't use it.
You've created a large solution again now OP. But I gave you the answer to clean it up on post 5.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26805308 - 07/05/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, it does nothing. I thought he had an emulsion, adding some more basic solution could have helped. But apparently it does nothing, right.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805315 - 07/05/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The pictures are pretty wild mate, I had a hard time understanding what was going on as well. At first I thought it was just a seriously dirty pull, didn't realise there was basic solution in the bottom.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26805734 - 07/05/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Uhhh so did all the stuff I did to fix it do nothing? It's in the freezer right now.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26805835 - 07/05/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well hopefully you separated the basic solution from your solvent completely this time. 
That accomplished you will have something there of value, though it's likely to be yellow or orange in colour. Will still be very potent.
You can further clean it up afterwards with a re-x if you want to.
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#26805977 - 07/05/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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All right it's been in the freezer for 12 hours and here's what I've got:
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26806011 - 07/05/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tip the solvent off slowly, careful not to let the lumps fall out... Leave the tray to dry until there's absolutely zero solvent smell coming from it. A fan on low from a distance can help dry it.
You have yourself some bonafide yellow DMT. It's just like white DMT but has some plant tannin in it, does the same trick.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26806024 - 07/05/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you!
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26806029 - 07/05/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just thought of something.
To minimise condensation running down into the dish I wrap mine up in a towel for an hour or so until it hits room temp, otherwise you might have pooling water to wait to dry as well. Depends on your local humidity though. It's humid as all hell here so that can be a pretty big issue. Then everything starts melting, and it all turns into goo. Most parts of the world are fine though, just chucking it out there.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26806036 - 07/05/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I live in one of the most extreme deserts of North America. I will just put a fan on it.
Last question: I have both a normal freezer and a deep freezer. Would there be any advantage to sticking this in the deep freezer?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26806067 - 07/06/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Absolutely deep freeze it, the colder the better. As I don't have a deep freeze I leave mine for 24 hours. I've considered buying a chest freezer just for this, but Mrs Northy isn't impressed.
Follow pandemoons stb directions though. You'll do much better in future.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26806859 - 07/06/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey at the final stage after freezing, if the Naphtha evaporates off entirely (especially here in the desert), why do you need to pour it off at all?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26806876 - 07/06/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh is it just to save the Naphtha? Lol
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26808077 - 07/06/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, and there's a lot of gunk in your naphtha on this round, you probably won't want to reuse it.
How does it look now dry? You tried it yet?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26808151 - 07/07/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry one other question:
So I do everything and then add in the Naphtha. Then I wait a day. Then I suck off the layer of Naphtha. Then I add in more Naphtha.
Do I now wait another day?
So for 4 pulls is it 4 days?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26808678 - 07/07/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, you don't have to wait this long. With the first pull yes, with stb the base needs some time to break up the bark cells and release the dmt. But once the bark sits in the lye for a day it should be enough.
For any other pull there is no need to wait a full day. Just add the naphtha, stirr/mix well and then you can suck it out once it is separated again into two layers. Theoretically you can make all other pulls within an hour or so.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26808711 - 07/07/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome!
And when you said that I should fan it before I put it into the freezer until it gets cloudy, if I am doing a pretty large 300g MHRB pull with 750 mL Naphtha and I put the final product in a large glass tray, how long do you think I need to fan it before it gets cloudy enough to put it into the freezer?
Should I aim to reduce the volume by a certain percentage? One person wrote to reduce it to 50% of its former volume and another person wrote to reduce it to 33% of its former volume.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26810679 - 07/08/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or do you not usually do that much as once?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26810815 - 07/08/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I extract dmt I use a full kilo of mhrb. 8L of water, 800g lye, and roughly one liter naphtha per pull.
Just evape till it gets cloudy. I can't give you a precice percentage number, as each individual extraction differs from another.
If it gets cloudy when you blow onto the surface, then it's saturated and time to put into the freezer.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26810821 - 07/08/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay that's a pretty good answer thank you, but it does bring up one further question because the other guy was saying that this ratio would be good:
300g MHRB (powdered) 300g Lye 750mL Naphtha 2100mL water
But if you are doing 2,000g MHRB and you are doing one liter of Naphtha then would you say that he is recommending me to do way too much? Considering that for 2,000 grams you do 1 L whereas I'm trying to do 300 g and 750 ml?
I thought it was a rule of thumb you want to do a little over 2x (in mL) as much Naphtha you do grams in MHRB
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26810859 - 07/08/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The ammount of naphtha is almost irrelevant. Just use enough to form a fat layer that you can easily suck out without getting any of the basic solution.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26810863 - 07/08/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the info Pande
You inspired me to get this extraction going now
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26811095 - 07/08/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hell yeah man you're awesome! You and the other guy.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26812454 - 07/09/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey I was thinking about something last night - wouldn't it make sense to use less and less Naphtha for each subsequent pull as there is less and less DMT to saturate the Naphtha?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1] 1
#26814386 - 07/10/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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25ml of warm naptha can hold more than two grams of DMT.
I generally do 200g extractions with 4 x 80ml solvent pulls on a 1.8L solution. It's maybe overkill, I should probably just use 50ml.
What has to be considered is the size of the solution though. To get enough solvent to touch every part of the basic solution is the objective. How much DMT that solvent is absorbed is based upon availability, not on the amount of solvent. It's a bit of a balancing act.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26814401 - 07/10/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I need to invest in a pipette then i think
Using a turkey baster i need a decent amount of solvent not to disturb the base
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26816301 - 07/11/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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UPDATE: Pretty sure I have failed.
Blended 300g MHRB into powder. Took 2100mL of water, 200g of lye and mixed it all together. Added in 500mL Naphtha (realized this was far too much Naphtha).
Part I think I failed on:
Since I added so much Naphtha, when I went to "fan it until it got cloudy" before I froze it, it took hours and hours of fanning yet it never got cloudy. By the time I noticed, I had accidentally evaporated off like 80% of the Naphtha. I put the remaining 20% in the freezer and although it hasn't been that long I can tell there isn't going to be very much. I guess I evaporated the crystals off.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26816307 - 07/11/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The DMT will not evaporate, you just haven't pulled it yet. It's still in the soup.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26816314 - 07/11/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How wouldn't I have pulled it? I put 200g of lye into water with 300g of MHRB and let it sit for a full day with a bunch of Naphtha. What did I miss?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26816316 - 07/11/20 12:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Did you stir or agitate the solution so the solvent touched every part of it? Or did you just pour it on and let it sit?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26816342 - 07/11/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean I stirred it pretty good. Last time I made an emulsion I was shaking so much.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26816346 - 07/11/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you saying I'm better off shaking like crazy and getting an emulsion and dealing with it?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26816359 - 07/11/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't shake it, but you need to stir for several minutes plenty of times so each part of the basic solution touches the solvent. I usually spend about 30-40 minutes agitating and letting rest the solvent.
Many people purchase magnetic stir plates to avoid this task. Just set it on 20 minute stir, job done.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26816743 - 07/11/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know if this really explains why I got nothing.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26816802 - 07/11/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You seem to do everything right.. Maybe your bark is just not very potent?
Dmt doesn't suddenly disappear. It's still in your basic solution, or in the naphtha. Maybe evaporate all naphtha and see what remain in the dish. If there's dmt in the naphtha it will solidify as crystals or flat residue on the bottom of the dish.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26816828 - 07/11/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh god after 3 pulls I threw awayyl the entire basic layer.
This really doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26816833 - 07/11/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So the only thing could be in the stirring then.
maybe I should just shake like crazy and make an emulsion and then deal with the emulsion?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26816860 - 07/11/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn bro you got rid of your soup..?
Is your pull in the freezer right now?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu]
#26816869 - 07/11/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes but I got like nothing.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26816902 - 07/11/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well then evape it completly and see what you get.
Everything that was pulled by the naphtha will appear as solid, once the naphtha is all gone.
That's all you can do right now.
Don't know what went wrong. Only possibility I can think of is that your bark is weak in dmt in the first place. 
Stirring well is all you need to pull the dmt. I always only stirr for a couple of minutes, let separate well and then suck off the naphtha. Once the naphtha pulled the dmt it will stay in the solvent. It won't go back into the water. 
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26817283 - 07/11/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright fuck it here's what I'm going to do:
All the same shit as before (300g MHRB powdered, 200g lye, 2100mL water, 200mL Naphtha)
Except when I put it in the jar into going to shake it like a madman and then put it in the yard.
I live in one of the hottest deserts of North America, it's 108F right now.
So between the shaking and the heat I will almost certainly get an emulsion. But the Naphtha will DEFINITELY have come into contact with everything. Then I can fight the emulsion off tomorrow if it hasn't settled by adding more lye.
What do you guys think?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26817307 - 07/11/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stirr it well, that's all you need.. 
Stirr in the beginning when you added the naphtha, let stand, the next day stirr again very well, like 5 to 10 minutes, wait a bit, then stirr again, and then pull the naphtha.
Just make sure that as much of the black liquid as possible gets in contact with the naphtha while stirring..
Don't goal for emulsions, lol. I always only stirr, and it works very well.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26817322 - 07/11/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I stirred it a decent amount and out of 300g I think I've pulled close to nothing and no one can tell me why. Maybe not as much as I should have but I definitely did stir.
This was my best guess as the vendor I used is supposed to be reputable.
I also used zero heat during all of this.
I also used wayyy too much Naphtha but that would only be more to come into contact with the basic layer when I stirred it. I evaporated a TON of it off but you guys are saying the DMT wouldn't evaporate off.
I'm open to other suggestions but if I do the same thing again I'm going to get the same results. I'll use less Naphtha this time and stir harder but I don't know if that accounts for it.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26817449 - 07/11/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe try some smaller extractions
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu]
#26817466 - 07/11/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What kind of lye and naphtha do you use?
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
#26817481 - 07/11/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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VM&P Naphtha
99% pure SODIUM HYDROXIDE / LYE Caustic Soda Beads
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu]
#26817488 - 07/11/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, I really do think it is because of what others have hinted at - because I'm doing so much at once, the Naphtha is not coming in contact with all of the basic layer.
This is why I would like to shake it but that will cause an emulsion. But at least I can get rid of that later and the Naphtha that remains will certainly be saturated. But I don't want to waste any more products guessing either.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26817958 - 07/11/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah do a small extraction and do what other people said and dont shake it
You had 2 people who have done a lot of extractions tell you what to do, just do whst they said
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Enkidu] 2
#26823701 - 07/14/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Update: Success!

So here's the issue: The straight to base method of just taking a 50g MHRB, 50g Lye, water Naphtha works with just stirring because it's a fairly small amount - the Naphtha is able to touch enough of the aqueous layer to sufficiently capture the DMT.
When you multiply your ratio by 6 like I have (doing 300g MHRB, 200g Lye), stirring simply isn't enough to make the Naphtha come into contact with enough of the aqueous layer and more action is needed.
What did I do? Well I decided to go rogue and shake the bejesus out of the giant gallon jar and deal with any emulsions later. At least then the Naphtha will have the dmt in it. But then I had an idea taking advantage of my current environment - I hear that heat is good for emulsions and I live in the hottest desert in North America (it's 115° today). So I shook the bejesus out of it and stuck it in the sun for a day. Came back and found a nice yellow layer without a hint of emulsion. it's only been in the freezer for a few hours now and I can see a ton of crystals already on the bottom.
Can't comment on yield just yet as I've only done one pull and I haven't weighed anything (looks like a decent amount though!), but I can definitely tell the problem was that with so much mass in the picture, the Naphtha was not touching enough of the aqueous layer and a shake was needed to force it to happen.
Honestly I don't know if the heat did anything or not. I was thinking yes because a different time I shook the bejesus out of it I caused an emulsion whereas this time there was no emulsion but it might just be because I let it sit longer. Maybe next time I will try it without the sun blasting it.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
#26823739 - 07/14/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Glad you finally got a result mate.
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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
#26824370 - 07/15/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's hard to see how big that dish is, but that looks like a really decent ammount of crystals for one pull. 
Glad yu had success! 
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