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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26805044 - 07/05/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you. So I have this now. Actually it kind of looks like there are three layers in a way (like white-ish layer in the middle). Should I cool this down or should I try and extract the top layer now?

Also, should I be trying to extract the white layer in the middle as well or no? Thanks again.





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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26805056 - 07/05/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Looks good. Don't cool it down, keep it warm and extract the top layer only.

Don't know what this middle layer is. Better leave it where it is. :shrug:
Could be that the naphtha is over saturated with dmt, then crystals will start crashing out as it cools down and float in the naphtha. This could look like a third white layer.
But I'm not sure if this is the case here.
If it is, then the layer should fade or disappear once you heat the naphtha up a bit. Hot naphtha can hold more dmt than cold naphtha. That's why freeze precipitation works in the first place.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26805116 - 07/05/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So if I now want to do this with some heavier amounts, six times the ratio with be:

300g MHRB (powdered)
300g Lye
750mL Naphtha
2100mL water

Put all of this into a massive glass jug (obviously I have to add lye slowly). I then let it sit at room temperature for a day. I then come back and extract the top Naphtha layer and put it into a pyrex dish. I then leave it in front of a fan for a while until it starts to get cloudy. I then put it in the freezer. I then add in more Naphtha to the gallon jug and repeat again 4 more times.

ANYTHING ELSE sir?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26805130 - 07/05/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

One thing is wrong. The ammount of lye is too much.

100g lye per liter of water is more than enough.

The ammount of bark is irrelevant, it's the lye-to-water ratio that determins the pH of the solution. 100g per liter is what I use, and that's already on the high end.

But anything else sounds right. :thumbup:

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26805145 - 07/05/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So it should be 210g of Lye then? Because I have it at 2100mL.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26805270 - 07/05/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. 200g should be plenty.

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26805279 - 07/05/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've done hundreds of extractions on many different types of bark and leaves. I'm more than a one trick pony.

You could have removed the DMT from all that crap with clean vinegar..  then base and pulled it crystal clean.

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Don't shake your jar at all. Shaking is what causes emulsions. I only stirr my solution a bit with a big spoon, shaking (or repeatedly turning the jar upside down :rolleyes:) is not needed at all.
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When backsalting straight to vinegar emulsions do not form, shaking is perfectly fine. It is a way to remove all the crap from a dirty pull that contains many tannins or fats. Here is an example of a heavily shaken jar with very dirty solvent. Guess where the DMT is. (hint: not in the yucky bit)



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Just pour everything into a big jar, add some more water and more lye
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Why? There is nothing left to base out. Does nothing. He could have just sucked the solvent straight out of the dish. When getting near the bottom just tipped the dish so it pooled in a corner and grabbed the last bit.

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Better leave in a naphtha layer of half an inch or so, just to be sure you don't get any of the black solution. You are going to repeat pulling with fresh naphtha several times more anyway, so the half inch layer is not lost but will get out with the next pull.
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That's good advice


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Ps: Cybes tek is outdated.
With mhrb all you need to do is to mix water, lye, bark and naphtha in a big jar, let stand overnight, suck off naphta layer, evape or freeze, done.
No salt, heat, vinegar or filtering is needed at all. Just mix, and suck off the next day. 5min of work in total.  :shrug:
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Yeah, STB is the way with MHRB. Cybs tek is no good for MHRB. It's still a decent way to approach ACRB and other DMT containing plants. Though I don't use it.

You've created a large solution again now OP. But I gave you the answer to clean it up on post 5.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26805308 - 07/05/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it does nothing. I thought he had an emulsion, adding some more basic solution could have helped. But apparently it does nothing, right.

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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26805315 - 07/05/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The pictures are pretty wild mate, I had a hard time understanding what was going on as well. At first I thought it was just a seriously dirty pull, didn't realise there was basic solution in the bottom.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26805734 - 07/05/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Uhhh so did all the stuff I did to fix it do nothing? It's in the freezer right now.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26805835 - 07/05/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well hopefully you separated the basic solution from your solvent completely this time.  :thumbup:

That accomplished you will have something there of value, though it's likely to be yellow or orange in colour. Will still be very potent.

You can further clean it up afterwards with a re-x if you want to.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26805977 - 07/05/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All right it's been in the freezer for 12 hours and here's what I've got:



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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26806011 - 07/05/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Tip the solvent off slowly, careful not to let the lumps fall out... Leave the tray to dry until there's absolutely zero solvent smell coming from it. A fan on low from a distance can help dry it.

You have yourself some bonafide yellow DMT. It's just like white DMT but has some plant tannin in it, does the same trick.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26806024 - 07/05/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you!


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26806029 - 07/05/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just thought of something.

To minimise condensation running down into the dish I wrap mine up in a towel for an hour or so until it hits room temp, otherwise you might have pooling water to wait to dry as well. Depends on your local humidity though. It's humid as all hell here so that can be a pretty big issue. Then everything starts melting, and it all turns into goo. Most parts of the world are fine though, just chucking it out there.



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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26806036 - 07/05/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I live in one of the most extreme deserts of North America. I will just put a fan on it.

Last question: I have both a normal freezer and a deep freezer. Would there be any advantage to sticking this in the deep freezer?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26806067 - 07/06/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Absolutely deep freeze it, the colder the better. As I don't have a deep freeze I leave mine for 24 hours. I've considered buying a chest freezer just for this, but Mrs Northy isn't impressed.

Follow pandemoons stb directions though. You'll do much better in future.


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: Northerner]
    #26806859 - 07/06/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hey at the final stage after freezing, if the Naphtha evaporates off entirely (especially here in the desert), why do you need to pour it off at all?


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26806876 - 07/06/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh is it just to save the Naphtha? Lol


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Re: Cybes DMT extraction question [Re: NightPuma1]
    #26808077 - 07/06/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, and there's a lot of gunk in your naphtha on this round, you probably won't want to reuse it.

How does it look now dry? You tried it yet?


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