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Is this ready to fruit?
#26801140 - 07/03/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone,
I’m new here and had a question for a friend. She is going on vacation for a week and her monotub is still colonizing. She wants to know if she should automate it with a fan and mister system on a timer with lights or wait until she gets back to do it manually and just leave it sealed full of CO2 for now. First time doing a grow so unsure of how close to fruiting she is. Here are some pictures below. There is an extreme amount of condensation so sorry if it’s hard to see. It looks very white but some substrate is showing. The mycelium is thick in spots and other spots looks like it’s reaching out like a claw. Really cool looking. Very healthy looking as well.
She layered 2 - Fully colonized 5 grain bags (4 pounds all together) with 15 pounds of a cow manure mixture in a 66 Qt container. Covered bottom holes with micropore tape (4 layers) and taped the gas exchange holes with gorilla duct tape. Sealed pretty well with lots of CO2 and condensation build up inside.
She did this 6 days ago and even after one day it was visibly starting. Been going strong since.
Pictures below is where she is at now and just needs someone with some expertise to tell her if she should go into fruiting and automate it (Willy Myco has a great video on this on YouTube) on Sunday/Monday before she leaves for vacation or if she should keep it sealed, in the dark, the way it is until she gets back in 5 days to a week to then do it manually.
It has been in the dark for 6 days. Only put lights on to take this picture and quickly (less then 5 seconds) to check it every other day.
Also, it has way more mycelium coming through then it looks like in the pictures. Hopefully these pictures are enough to help.
Thanks for any help!

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All i can see is well condensated tub sides 
I hope your friend is experienced with cow manure. If your friend dialed in properly, there`s no need for misting and fanning. She could even leave for more than a week. Just look for lots of tiny water droplets on the myc, then leave it on it`s own. When pins form, give FAE. What do you mean with sealed? Put it in a bag wrapped? You`ll have soffucation then. Just put that to a place with ambient light, no darkness needed.
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First of all willy myco might get you some mushrooms but he's steering you the wrong way most of his advice is abysmal shit.
You should never have it sealed up. You don't want all that co2 buildup unless you like mold growing in your tub.
It never needs to be in the dark.
Using premade stuff you should expect a 50/50 success rate at best.
Never take pictures through plastic tubs ever.
Mono tubs are already automated. Do not try to automate them they'll become less automated and more problematic.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Goatrider]
#26801172 - 07/03/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sealed as in the FAE holes are wrapped with 4 layers of micropore tape and the Gas exchange holes have duct tape on them and the lid is on (although it’s not a rubber tight seal so some air is getting in I’m sure.). It’s in her closet and the room is around 80 degrees with no fab going. It’s just been colonizing quickly for 6 days. Well she thinks it’s quick from what she has read.
She’s just afraid while she’s on vacation they will start producing fruit and no one is around to fan and mist and the holes are sealed up. Don’t want to ruin the grow.
Also, thanks for your reply!
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more air less moisture
take that lid off fast before this turns into an outdoor grow
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Surfingmycelium said: Sealed as in the FAE holes are wrapped with 4 layers of micropore tape and the Gas exchange holes have duct tape on them and the lid is on (although it’s not a rubber tight seal so some air is getting in I’m sure.). It’s in her closet and the room is around 80 degrees with no fab going. It’s just been colonizing quickly for 6 days. Well she thinks it’s quick from what she has read.
She’s just afraid while she’s on vacation they will start producing fruit and no one is around to fan and mist and the holes are sealed up. Don’t want to ruin the grow.
Also, thanks for your reply!
You don't need to fan a monotub. You only mist if necessary. And if you did everything right you probably wouldn't need to mist even one time before the first harvest
 You can open your tub to take a picture. It's not a contamination risk. Actually the fresh air if anything will help fend off contamination. Mold loves stale taped up holes. Mold hates fresh air exchange. Fresh air exchange happens 24/7 100% automatically when your holes are not taped up.
You can put tubs into fruiting conditions the same day you spawn them.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26801178 - 07/03/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: First of all willy myco might get you some mushrooms but he's steering you the wrong way most of his advice is abysmal shit.
You should never have it sealed up. You don't want all that co2 buildup unless you like mold growing in your tub.
It never needs to be in the dark.
Using premade stuff you should expect a 50/50 success rate at best.
Never take pictures through plastic tubs ever.
Mono tubs are already automated. Do not try to automate them they'll become less automated and more problematic.
Oh she thought it is suppose to be sealed for CO2 buildup during the colonization part and then during fruiting allow air in.
So, should she take the tape off and put poly in now at this stage and take the tape off the FAE holes?
Also, if she’s going on vacation is it okay to leave this way? Otherwise automation is the only answer, even if it’s not ideal.
Thanks again!
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Monotubs are fully automated already. They're the most automated setup ive seen in my entire time growing mushrooms. They're already more brilliant and automatic than any so called automatic setup I've seen.
Co2 buildup is a decades old idea. It doesn't seem to help a damn thing in the case of cubes. It seems to encourage surface molding though. Cubes don't grow under tree bark anyway so I can't see the co2 hypothesis holding up to experimentation. However the collective imperial evidence does strongly suggest a tub will do really well never taped up even from day 1. We don't have real experiments but we do have a lot of people posting evidence. So our theories get derived from physical experience.
Your attached picture looks real good
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26801200 - 07/03/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks! When the lid was removed there was like 10 paper towels worth of water to soak up. Thank God you guys were here to clear that up. Gonna have her open the FAE holes up and maybe some polly for the GE?
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26801203 - 07/03/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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i see worrying green spots in that pic.... is it just me? maybe its my screen?
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: ElViajero]
#26801207 - 07/03/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think its the camera. The whole thing looks kinda green. Mycelium wouldn't be doing so hot if the whole tub was fucked tho so i think its artefact
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: ElViajero]
#26801210 - 07/03/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No green. Some looks off color because a few grains are poking out.
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oh i see, that makes sense. i thought i was having a stroke hahah bod knows his shit
best of lucks with your project! hope we get to see some fruits of the labour if you knwo what i mean
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: ElViajero]
#26801231 - 07/03/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So should the FAE holes be unwrapped or should there be a layer of micropore tape? And should the GE have poly now?
Also there’s a lot of condensation under the liner.
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Okay there actually a pool of water underneath. What do you think? Drill a small hole and drain?
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Sure. A waterlogged substrate will make tiny mushrooms with really dark caps. And definitely won't need to be misted
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26801302 - 07/03/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay, drained about an ounce of water. There’s more but the bag is stuck to the container Because of it, trapping it. Will just keep an eye on it and drain when it’s possible. Probably only about another ounce more, if that.
So, should the small FAE holes be completely open now or should there be some micropore tape? Is it past the contamination phase?
Sorry, there’s just a lot of contradicting information out there but so far you guys have helped Immensely, so going by what advice you give.
Thanks again!
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As your hole placements on the long sides aren't optimal, i'd tend to leave the tapes sticking, and unlatch the lid or flip it. You get enough fresh air that way Perhaps that link is helpful:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Goatrider]
#26801343 - 07/03/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks! All the videos that were watched said make the small holes 3 inches from the bottom. Well, not all but a lot. Lol.
Thanks for the advice. Will open the lid a little. Should the bigger GE holes be filled with loose poly?
Here is a picture of where the holes are. The tape at the bottom is now only two layers rather then 4 and the GE holes are one layer instead of the duct tape. Also, opened the lid a little.
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Wow! Thanks for the link! Very helpful.
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Yes, the holes should be a little above your desired sub-level. In the other picture it looked like the holes being just in the corners, my bad 
You don't need to tilt the lid, just flip it over. There are airgaps then. Keep an eye on once or twice a day for moisture. Only mist if needed
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Goatrider]
#26801375 - 07/03/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Goatrider]
#26801841 - 07/03/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for all your help!
So, how come every video I watch says you Must mist and fan 4 times a day? They say it like its an absolute with no exceptions. Thank God for this site or my friend would have ruined her grow. 😉
So, hypothetically, it seems you might never have to fan or mist before the first flush if everything is dialed in correctly? Or am I totally missing something?
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It's all up to your conditions. Noone knows where you're living, only you know about your environment, so temperature, humidity and so on. There's no 'one-for-all-setup'. You can follow the teks to the t, and tweak from there.
And yes, monotubs are made for this. Once dialed in properly, you leave them on their own. No fanning, only mist if needed.
Perhaps you saw some videos about growkits? Or maybe some outdated ones?
In the last link i sent before you'll find lots of great videos.
Good luck and enjoy
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Surfingmycelium said: So, hypothetically, it seems you might never have to fan or mist before the first flush if everything is dialed in correctly? Or am I totally missing something?
Nope you're 100% correct. Once you learn to dial in your conditions (as in learn how to properly hydrate your substrate and allow optimal FAE for YOUR specific environment/climate) a monotub will take little to no effort. That's the beauty of a monotub. Maybe a mist with a spray bottle here and there. Obviously this takes a few grows, but that's why it is important to keep notes.
Also, here's a good link on surface conditions. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053 Really good resource
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Gan]
#26802367 - 07/03/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like another Willy myco trainwreck put back on course. Good job people
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26802463 - 07/03/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes you`re so right.
Indeed there are so many stupid and dangerous informations out there.
Perhaps they rely on mycology books from the 19th century?  Thank god people get any information they need on this site
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Goatrider]
#26803087 - 07/04/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can’t thank everyone enough! Don’t even want to think about how bad things could have turned out with all that moisture. There’s still a lot but not like there was. Lots of water beads on top too, but seems like that’s good. Right? Will post some pictures later. She’s getting very excited!
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Just lots of tiny droplets
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Goatrider]
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Yes. Tiny water droplets.
But now she’s a little worried because looks like there might be cobweb. First grow so not sure. There’s like a fine almost fuzzy layer over everything. Kinda grayish. Just thought it would turn white soon and that was the first stage before it would be white but it’s still there and the more researching that’s done the more freaked out she’s getting. Trying to post pics but the upload is down on the site it keeps saying.
This isn’t the best picture but only one that was able to be taken before the upload issues.
Also read to spray some 3% on a small patch and see if it fizzed and she thinks it did a little.
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Can't recognize without colours. A bit cobweb is easy to beat, but it spreads very fast. So catch it as early as possible. Peroxide melts it away quickly.
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Surfingmycelium said: Yes. Tiny water droplets.
But now she’s a little worried because looks like there might be cobweb. First grow so not sure. There’s like a fine almost fuzzy layer over everything. Kinda grayish. Just thought it would turn white soon and that was the first stage before it would be white but it’s still there and the more researching that’s done the more freaked out she’s getting. Trying to post pics but the upload is down on the site it keeps saying.
This isn’t the best picture but only one that was able to be taken before the upload issues.
Also read to spray some 3% on a small patch and see if it fizzed and she thinks it did a little.

 had this a little over a year ago- fuzz-city!
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: AtmozFear]
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It’s strange. It’s like part of the soil too. It’s only day 7 so maybe it’s normal? Put a paper towel down on a section and when pulled away the substrate was just less moist. No cobweb looking stuff came away.
I hope 7 day’s is enough time for the mycelium in there to develop a good immune system because she’s been in there with paper towels and poking around and stuff. Contam city. Lol.
Anyway, will try and get better pictures when the sites upload is working again.
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you can't save it- it's fucked
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: AtmozFear]
#26803315 - 07/04/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Definitely freaking out now! 😦
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Surfingmycelium said: Yes. Tiny water droplets.
But now she’s a little worried because looks like there might be cobweb. First grow so not sure. There’s like a fine almost fuzzy layer over everything. Kinda grayish. Just thought it would turn white soon and that was the first stage before it would be white but it’s still there and the more researching that’s done the more freaked out she’s getting. Trying to post pics but the upload is down on the site it keeps saying.
This isn’t the best picture but only one that was able to be taken before the upload issues.
Also read to spray some 3% on a small patch and see if it fizzed and she thinks it did a little.

The pic isn’t great but I don’t see anything in there that makes me think mold. Cobweb is nearly unheard of these days, if you have any holes in the tub you won’t likely have cobweb.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Okay! Optimistic again! Lol
Will get pictures up as soon as possible.
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I apologize, I didn't look at the pic- just the last post, pasty knows best 
Was moving too fast
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Now that I look at it more the pic seems weird af? What’s going on in the right side of the image? Looks like some odd photoshop or something. For good diagnosis it’s important to get as natural as light as possible and never crop or use filters.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Not sure what you are referring to. Just took a picture with phone and had the flash on.
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Oh I see what you mean now. Like top right corner? Original image didn’t have that. When was uploading, tried 4 at once and it said there were errors and only that one uploaded. Probably corrupted a bit. Once upload is working again will send the original once more with other pics.
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Phone flashes suck balls for myco pics. Try to light the room or subject over using a flash. Flashes tend to overexpose the important details and can lead to misdiagnosis.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Oh okay! Will do that next pic upload. Hopefully soon. Not sure why keep getting errors when trying to upload. Oh well, I’m sure it will be corrected soon and can post some good pics. Thanks!
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So temps have been at 79-80 degrees in the room the entire cycle (from grain colonization to this past week it’s been in the monotub) because that’s what she saw on YouTube.
Okay, so happy for this site. Get back on track. Opened the vent to the room and now going to drop it down to around 75 or slightly lower hopefully.
Will post pictures shortly. Don’t think it’s cobweb anymore. Probably got too paranoid and jumped to conclusions.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: However the collective imperial evidence does strongly suggest a tub will do really well never taped up even from day 1. We don't have real experiments but we do have a lot of people posting evidence. So our theories get derived from physical experience.
bod, Firstly.. long time no seee, glad to see your experience is still around, you've earned alot of my respect. I 've just returned from a 3 year break and trying refresh alot of my memories as i was only into the hobby for about 2 years prior. I've always spawned a tub the way i was taught which is, strickct FAE until colonization is 100%.
I was just starting to read and investigate this technique before i left,
Was'nt there some kind of fine print to the "new tek" (fruiting conditions at spawn)?
Was it more time to fruit body from spawn? VS. traditional methods
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More or less, what people have found is that introducing fruiting conditions at spawn doesn't have a noticeable difference in yield and BE, but tends to shorten the time from spawn to harvest. I wish I could remember the threads, cause there have been a few members that ran some nice side by side grow logs comparing fruiting at spawning and fruiting at 100% colonization.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Gan]
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There was a pool of water under the liner so made a hole and when draining had to push on the bottom to get the water to pool by the hole. That’s why it cracked in the center. Hopefully that’s not too bad. The edges are becoming a little fuzzy (very white fuzz though) with no water beads. Should it be misted?
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You’re doing CPR on the substrate because it had some water under the liner? Totally unnecessary, water trapped between the liner and tub is generally harmless.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Gan]
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Gan said: More or less, what people have found is that introducing fruiting conditions at spawn doesn't have a noticeable difference in yield and BE, but tends to shorten the time from spawn to harvest. I wish I could remember the threads, cause there have been a few members that ran some nice side by side grow logs comparing fruiting at spawning and fruiting at 100% colonization.
Ok cool, i was thinking there was some kinda of "give and take" or pros and cons about the new tek. If you happen to stumble on those threads i'd love to look at them. Otherwise, thanks for the info my friend
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: You’re doing CPR on the substrate because it had some water under the liner? Totally unnecessary, water trapped between the liner and tub is generally harmless.
Thanks! Seriously, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Learning so much on this site. Should have just joined here rather then YouTube videos before starting.
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