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Is this ready to fruit?
    #26801140 - 07/03/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone,

  I’m new here and had a question for a friend.  She is going on vacation for a week and her monotub is still colonizing.  She wants to know if she should automate it with a fan and mister system on a timer with lights or wait until she gets back to do it manually and just leave it sealed full of CO2 for now.  First time doing a grow so unsure of how close to fruiting she is.  Here are some pictures below. There is an extreme amount of condensation so sorry if it’s hard to see.  It looks very white but some substrate is showing.  The mycelium is thick in spots and other spots looks like it’s reaching out like a claw.  Really cool looking.  Very healthy looking as well. 

She layered 2 - Fully colonized 5 grain bags (4 pounds all together) with 15 pounds of a cow manure mixture in a 66 Qt container.  Covered bottom holes with micropore tape (4 layers) and taped the gas exchange holes with gorilla duct tape.  Sealed pretty well with lots of CO2 and condensation build up inside.

She did this 6 days ago and even after one day it was visibly starting.  Been going strong since. 

Pictures below is where she is at now and just needs someone with some expertise to tell her if she should go into fruiting and automate it (Willy Myco has a great video on this on YouTube) on Sunday/Monday before she leaves for vacation or if she should keep it sealed, in the dark, the way it is until she gets back in 5 days to a week to then do it manually. 

It has been in the dark for 6 days.  Only put lights on to take this picture and quickly (less then 5 seconds) to check it every other day.

Also, it has way more mycelium coming through then it looks like in the pictures.  Hopefully these pictures are enough to help. 

Thanks for any help! 





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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801163 - 07/03/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All i can see is well condensated tub sides :wink:

I hope your friend is experienced with cow manure.
If your friend dialed in properly, there`s no need for misting and fanning.
She could even leave for more than a week.
Just look for lots of tiny water droplets on the myc, then leave it on it`s own.
When pins form, give FAE.
What do you mean with sealed? Put it in a bag wrapped?
You`ll have soffucation then.
Just put that to a place with ambient light, no darkness needed.
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801170 - 07/03/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

First of all willy myco might get you some mushrooms but he's steering you the wrong way most of his advice is abysmal shit.

You should never have it sealed up. You don't want all that co2 buildup unless you like mold growing in your tub.

It never needs to be in the dark.

Using premade stuff you should expect a 50/50 success rate at best.

Never take pictures through plastic tubs ever.

Mono tubs are already automated. Do not try to automate them they'll become less automated and more problematic.


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Goatrider]
    #26801172 - 07/03/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sealed as in the FAE holes are wrapped with 4 layers of micropore tape and the Gas exchange holes have duct tape on them and the lid is on (although it’s not a rubber tight seal so some air is getting in I’m sure.). It’s in her closet and the room is around 80 degrees with no fab going.  It’s just been colonizing quickly for 6 days.  Well she thinks it’s quick from what she has read. 

She’s just afraid while she’s on vacation they will start producing fruit and no one is around to fan and mist and the holes are sealed up.  Don’t want to ruin the grow. 

Also, thanks for your reply!


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801174 - 07/03/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

more air less moisture

take that lid off fast before this turns into an outdoor grow


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801175 - 07/03/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Surfingmycelium said:
Sealed as in the FAE holes are wrapped with 4 layers of micropore tape and the Gas exchange holes have duct tape on them and the lid is on (although it’s not a rubber tight seal so some air is getting in I’m sure.). It’s in her closet and the room is around 80 degrees with no fab going.  It’s just been colonizing quickly for 6 days.  Well she thinks it’s quick from what she has read. 

She’s just afraid while she’s on vacation they will start producing fruit and no one is around to fan and mist and the holes are sealed up.  Don’t want to ruin the grow. 

Also, thanks for your reply!



You don't need to fan a monotub.
You only mist if necessary. And if you did everything right you probably wouldn't need to mist even one time before the first harvest


You can open your tub to take a picture. It's not a contamination risk. Actually the fresh air if anything will help fend off contamination. Mold loves stale taped up holes. Mold hates fresh air exchange. Fresh air exchange happens 24/7 100% automatically when your holes are not taped up.

You can put tubs into fruiting conditions the same day you spawn them.


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26801178 - 07/03/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

bodhisatta said:
First of all willy myco might get you some mushrooms but he's steering you the wrong way most of his advice is abysmal shit.

You should never have it sealed up. You don't want all that co2 buildup unless you like mold growing in your tub.

It never needs to be in the dark.

Using premade stuff you should expect a 50/50 success rate at best.

Never take pictures through plastic tubs ever.

Mono tubs are already automated. Do not try to automate them they'll become less automated and more problematic.





Oh she thought it is suppose to be sealed for CO2 buildup during the colonization part and then during fruiting allow air in. 

So, should she take the tape off and put poly in now at this stage and take the tape off the FAE holes? 

Also, if she’s going on vacation is it okay to leave this way?  Otherwise automation is the only answer, even if it’s not ideal. 

Thanks again!


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801188 - 07/03/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801192 - 07/03/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Monotubs are fully automated already. They're the most automated setup ive seen in my entire time growing mushrooms. They're already more brilliant and automatic than any so called automatic setup I've seen.

Co2 buildup is a decades old idea. It doesn't seem to help a damn thing in the case of cubes. It seems to encourage surface molding though.
Cubes don't grow under tree bark anyway so I can't see the co2 hypothesis holding up to experimentation. However the collective imperial evidence does strongly suggest a tub will do really well never taped up even from day 1. We don't have real experiments but we do have a lot of people posting evidence. So our theories get derived from physical experience.

Your attached picture looks real good


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26801200 - 07/03/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks!  When the lid was removed there was like 10 paper towels worth of water to soak up.  Thank God you guys were here to clear that up.  Gonna have her open the FAE holes up and maybe some polly for the GE?


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26801203 - 07/03/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

i see worrying green spots in that pic.... is it just me? maybe its my screen?


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: ElViajero]
    #26801207 - 07/03/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think its the camera. The whole thing looks kinda green. Mycelium wouldn't be doing so hot if the whole tub was fucked tho so i think its artefact


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: ElViajero]
    #26801210 - 07/03/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No green.  Some looks off color because a few grains are poking out.


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801216 - 07/03/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

oh i see, that makes sense.
i thought i was having a stroke hahah bod knows his shit

best of lucks with your project! hope we get to see some fruits of the labour if you knwo what i mean
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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: ElViajero]
    #26801231 - 07/03/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So should the FAE holes be unwrapped or should there be a layer of micropore tape?  And should the GE have poly now? 

Also there’s a lot of condensation under the liner.



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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801232 - 07/03/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Okay there actually a pool of water underneath.  What do you think?  Drill a small hole and drain?


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801249 - 07/03/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sure.
A waterlogged substrate will make tiny mushrooms with really dark caps. And definitely won't need to be misted


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26801302 - 07/03/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, drained about an ounce of water.  There’s more but the bag is stuck to the container Because of it, trapping it.  Will just keep an eye on it and drain when it’s possible.  Probably only about another ounce more, if that.

So, should the small FAE holes be completely open now or should there be some micropore tape?  Is it past the contamination phase? 

Sorry, there’s just a lot of contradicting information out there but so far you guys have helped  Immensely, so going by what advice you give. 

Thanks again!


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26801319 - 07/03/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

As your hole placements on the long sides aren't optimal,
i'd tend to leave the tapes sticking, and unlatch the lid or flip it.
You get enough fresh air that way
Perhaps that link is helpful:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800


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Re: Is this ready to fruit? [Re: Goatrider]
    #26801343 - 07/03/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks!  All the videos that were watched said make the small holes 3 inches from the bottom.  Well, not all but a lot.  Lol. 

Thanks for the advice.  Will open the lid a little.  Should the bigger GE holes be filled with loose poly?

Here is a picture of where the holes are.  The tape at the bottom is now only two layers rather then 4 and the GE holes are one layer instead of the duct tape.  Also, opened the lid a little.



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