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Offlinegreenladel

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Re: Are you a shill? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26799895 - 07/02/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: greenladel]
    #26800481 - 07/02/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's clear to me we evolved the odd trick of sentient thought, the specifics (mechanisms) are open for debate though.

Adding an ethereal nature removes earthly bounds in my view, and with that view, what need is there for evolution?

I believe an ethereal nature to sentience undermines a belief in evolution.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26800699 - 07/03/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

you may have believed yourself into a corner


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26800717 - 07/03/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Of the market.

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Thales, so the story goes, because of his poverty was taunted with the uselessness of philosophy; but from his knowledge of astronomy he had observed while it was still winter that there was going to be a large crop of olives, so he raised a small sum of money and paid round deposits for the whole of the olive-presses in Miletus and Chios, which he hired at a low rent as nobody was running him up; and when the season arrived, there was a sudden demand for a number of presses at the same time, and by letting them out on what terms he liked he realized a large sum of money, so proving that it is easy for philosophers to be rich if they choose.




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Re: Are you a shill? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26800767 - 07/03/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: greenladel]
    #26800848 - 07/03/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Is evolution a bias?


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Re: Are you a shill? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26800860 - 07/03/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: greenladel]
    #26800884 - 07/03/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What's one thing you don't believe about the theory?

I mean, when I was born I was open to all theories, and yet somehow I understand how the Sun works.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26801020 - 07/03/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mind as opposed to matter -- the mind is not ephemeral, but the body is.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sideroxylon]
    #26802579 - 07/04/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You don't believe mind as opposed to matter?

And if the mind isn't ephemeral.. what are you suggesting the body is?


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26802907 - 07/04/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

maybe he was pointing out how temporary bodies are (100 years max?)
yet the principle of mind seems eternal .

it is probably a  poetic gesture


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26803046 - 07/04/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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it is probably a  poetic gesture




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Re: Are you a shill? *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #26804300 - 07/04/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Are you a shill? *DELETED* [Re: sideroxylon]
    #26804303 - 07/04/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: greenladel]
    #26804424 - 07/04/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Evolution is change!

Therefore it follows the rules of entropy..

From one order to another of lesser order until it turns to nothing ex nihilo..!

Ex nihilo obeys the freemarket economy of the cartesian plane and its federal dynamics.. with in the government we declare the interest rate..


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26804506 - 07/05/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This question does not really matter.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: greenladel]
    #26804654 - 07/05/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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greenladel said:
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sudly said:
What's one thing you don't believe about the theory?

I mean, when I was born I was open to all theories, and yet somehow I understand how the Sun works.




technically there is nothing i dont believe about the theory. you understand how the sun works because it is observable, but the distant past is not (yet?).




If one does observe the past, wouldn't they realise there should be no gap in our evolutionary history?

I mean, why would evolution have stopped?

That is one of the greatest curiosities to me, why someone would think that our ancestors evolved to their position, and then, that somehow the bridge between our ancestors and us wasn't built by evolution.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: sudly]
    #26804697 - 07/05/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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If one does observe the past, wouldn't they realise there should be no gap in our evolutionary history?




the term evolution is unnecessary in this sentence ^^
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I mean, why would evolution have stopped?




for each person that exists, evolution is a non-issue, i.e. their phenotype has been established already, and their mutations have not killed them yet.
if they have children and grand children the mutations that are survived by those individuals may become significant in some future challenge, but until it becomes pivotal, it is just part of living.
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That is one of the greatest curiosities to me, why someone would think that our ancestors evolved to their position, and then, that somehow the bridge between our ancestors and us wasn't built by evolution.



here again you use the term evolution as an agent of change.
this is erroneous. evolution is the description of an overall ongoing resulting change of  processes extending from simple molecular biology (mutation) through embryology, development, health and maturity, sexual activity, reproduction and child rearing.

the continuity is heredity.

my inheritance stopped with me, but my children's inheritance stops with them. evolution is not visible at the scale of our lives.


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Re: Are you a shill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26804718 - 07/05/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, no..  I'm talking about how our ape ancestors evolved sentient humanity.

I'm wondering if anyone is actually brazen enough to say this leap wasn't due to adaptation and evolution over time.

You and your children are irrelevant to this topic, I'm not talking about evolution in our lives. I'm talking about the leap from ancestral apes to sentient humans.

The million or so years it took.

Did evolution do it or not?


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