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The_BassCannon



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Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism 1
#26800184 - 07/02/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Have any of you considered the possibility that the "oneness" or "divine" experiences of the mushrooms might just be an evolutionary trait that makes anything that eats the mushroom think that whatever's happening is profound when really it isn't. Like what if everything experienced on the shrooms and lessons taught are all illusions made by the fungus that protect the fungi's further propagation?
I was a sunflower man last night. Like the whole biosphere necessary to make a sunflower, my face was the flower, SHINING AND GOLDEN and I had green leaf arms and my stomach was worms with big teeth churning through the soil that was my torso and abdomen sending the energy to my big flower head and plant arms. What the fuck? There was some spooky shit too, which is why I'm thinking that shrooms maybe not be what I thought they were.
Like they produce all these affects and thoughts that influence perspective MASSIVELY, but that's not actually how it is, the mushrooms are lying because they didn't want to be eaten to begin with. They wanted to drop spores and the ones that succeeded in dropping those spores were the ones that came to be because who, when in a situation when one wouldn't want to trip, would eat a magic mushroom in a scenario where eating a magic mushroom would be hella bad?
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: The_BassCannon]
#26800205 - 07/02/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are we not sending a spore to mars.
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: The_BassCannon]
#26800212 - 07/02/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It’s classified a hallucinogen for a reason. The mushrooms don’t talk to you per say, that’s a figure of speech, it’s the brain’s elaborate fabrication, akin to a powerful waking dream. So there’s no lying or telling the truth, because it’s all unreal from the get go, like a dream - illusory. But what’s important to remember is that illusions can be a real learning device - like a 2 way phantasmagoric ink blot test between perceiver and perceived- from which one can potentially learn about themselves & from that the world. Perspective can be gained, scales can fall from ones eyes, catharsis can be known, creative ideation beyond our wildest dreams, insight into the nature of phenomena - appreciative joy & boundless gratitude - those and much more - all potentially highly beneficial to our species & the planet.
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26800226 - 07/02/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I recommend taking the lessons learned and applying them to your life. Not that you're a sunflower. Those are the fun bit where you see an unfiltered mind rolling by.
Edited by LosTresOjos (07/02/20 08:05 PM)
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Sabnock
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: LosTresOjos]
#26800247 - 07/02/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want some real self-knowledge and understanding and teaching, seek out the Huasca, either Aya/Ana-Huasca with oral DMT, or Psilohuasca with mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT, but include the Huasca element, the Harmalas. The Harmalas are the teaching element, the DMT/Psilocin is the illuminating element. You'll stumble upon some real shit then.
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The_BassCannon



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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: Sabnock]
#26800305 - 07/02/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: If you want some real self-knowledge and understanding and teaching, seek out the Huasca, either Aya/Ana-Huasca with oral DMT, or Psilohuasca with mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT, but include the Huasca element, the Harmalas. The Harmalas are the teaching element, the DMT/Psilocin is the illuminating element. You'll stumble upon some real shit then.
I'm interested in dmt, however the majority of my shroom and lsd trips have been the whole "lonely god" thing and I'm really tired of that happening. Is that a thing with DMT?
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: The_BassCannon]
#26800313 - 07/02/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel like the selection process could've come up with a simpler and more effective mechanism to help them propagate and avoid being devoured other than:
- Growing curiously and conspicuously out of cow shit - Having a fascinatingly vivid blue hue - Imparting a euphoric sense of wonder and love and people are eager to pass on to others
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The_BassCannon



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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: microbiome88]
#26800333 - 07/02/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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microbiome88 said: I feel like the selection process could've come up with a simpler and more effective mechanism to help them propagate and avoid being devoured other than:
- Growing curiously and conspicuously out of cow shit - Having a fascinatingly vivid blue hue - Imparting a euphoric sense of wonder and love and people are eager to pass on to others
Say you're a primitive human. You're separated from your group and you're hungry. You see mushrooms growing out of cow shit and you eat them because you can't take a cow and can't digest grass. Now you're alone, lost, tripping, dehydrating, and get so stuck in your head that while you're either coping with "being god" and just being in absolute bliss or writhing around, a sobbing mess and a big cat eats you and it's either awful or you can't tell. Mushrooms protected, but that's me.
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: microbiome88]
#26800341 - 07/02/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats deep op, i felt that shit. Thought it oddly enough too from lemon tech 4g, like yo what if Im being tricked to help them survive. Like what if they did nothing at all or everything and im like an ant with cordyceps or part of their hive mind, or we all are.
makes a fella wonder...
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: Sabnock]
#26800342 - 07/02/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sabnock, i appreciate the advise my man. I do see your posts about this and i do read them. They're every where. We've written to each other in the past about this very thing. I'm no stranger.
My very first ayahuasca experience was very illuminating as i thought i was going to be feeling similar to mushrooms. I felt very sober in the head, no confusion, distortions. A dark room/closed eyes was another thing. My eyes hurt from looking around at the static images and landscapes.
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LosTresOjos
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OOHHH Damn you guys are giving the same feeling i get when i think about the earth rotating beneath my feet at night.
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: The_BassCannon]
#26800385 - 07/02/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The_BassCannon said: Have any of you considered the possibility that the "oneness" or "divine" experiences of the mushrooms might just be an evolutionary trait that makes anything that eats the mushroom think that whatever's happening is profound when really it isn't. Like what if everything experienced on the shrooms and lessons taught are all illusions made by the fungus that protect the fungi's further propagation?
Being eaten actually improves the mushroom's reproductive success because (a) the spores pass through ruminant's digestive tracts intact and germinate in their poo, somewhere else. Of course you're probably not a ruminant but still. And (b) would cows and such really learn not to eat them because they got to feeling peculiar an hour later? 
Though there is some evidence that the active alkaloids are insecticidal - but wild shrooms I've picked always had a good supply of maggots.
Not to mention that once the spores drop the caps are left to shrivel away and consumption makes no difference to reproduction.
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The_BassCannon



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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26800419 - 07/02/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank ya'll for your replies I believe I've been able to cultivate a notion from all of this. I'm not sure what a god is, I've only ever heard that there is one or more and had an idea about it, but if we're that which identifies then the idea of god is just that, an idea. I am troubled by the lonely god hallucination, but if I remove the idea of god from my mind than I am left with I am and that in itself is all that's necessary. I need not be a god as this is no place for one of those. No god makes us responsible, no thing making illusions for itself to not be lonely, no "god wills it", no vague manipulations justified by something so ineffable. We are what we are, not this or that.
Thank you for your help.
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pineninja
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: The_BassCannon]
#26800435 - 07/02/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most games have an Easter egg some take you back to the code.
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The_BassCannon



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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: pineninja] 1
#26800474 - 07/02/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also this is because I did shrooms and I'm realizing that it wasn't the shrooms giving me a hard time it was me giving me a hard time with the idea of god and the shrooms were plumbing that out, I just had to be in a state to digest their lesson. Shrooms are so based.
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Re: Tripping as an evolutionary defense mechanism [Re: The_BassCannon] 1
#26800558 - 07/03/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don’t believe the psychoactive chemicals in mushrooms are a “don’t eat me” defence; there is a lot of synergy in nature, where plants rely on other plants and animals. Certain nuts can only be opened by certain animals, mycelium needs trees for carbohydrates, and in return they allow the tree acces to nutrients in the soil.
The theories that abound, for example Stoned Ape, also back up a certain synergy between humans and mushrooms. Mushrooms are not dangerous to humans, being one of the safest “recreational” drugs known to man. And for thousands of years.
I’d hedge my bets towards a common evolution, where the synergy for each other has spread mushrooms and humans.
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