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First run with bags.
    #26800022 - 07/02/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just loaded 4 sawdust bags in my presto.  They are about 4.5 lbs each.  I put a layer of jar rings under the canning rack to elevate them a bit more and put rings in between the bags to allow steam to flow through.  I was going to use a large plate for the top but it's a bit too big so I'm going with this pot lid.

You guys think it will go alright?  Is 3 hours at 17psi a long enough cycle?





Any tips on doing bags will be appreciated, this is all new territory for me.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26800038 - 07/02/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

keep a close eye on it. You may run out of water. 3 hours should do it if you don't run out of water in your pc. I bought an extra rack that goes in the bottom for the top of the bags.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26800114 - 07/02/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hopefully I don't run out.  With my presto I taped 3 quarters to the weight per bods tek.  I can maintain 17psi for a 2 hour cycle and not lose much water so I should be good.

Thank you for all of your help man.  Constantly find you dropping nuggets of knowledge around here.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26800158 - 07/02/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for your kind words!! I just want people to have an easier time than I had. I took my PC weight to lowes and bought some washers that fit perfectly on the weight just unscrew the handle and put them on. The PC will use less water with the washers. I control my PC with a PID so I only use about 1/8 to 1/4 of water in 4 hours and I don't have to watch it the timer turns it off. I try to make things easy and have my equipment work for me so I don't spend as much time on it.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26800190 - 07/02/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Thank you for your kind words!! I just want people to have an easier time than I had. I took my PC weight to lowes and bought some washers that fit perfectly on the weight just unscrew the handle and put them on. The PC will use less water with the washers. I control my PC with a PID so I only use about 1/8 to 1/4 of water in 4 hours and I don't have to watch it the timer turns it off. I try to make things easy and have my equipment work for me so I don't spend as much time on it.




That's funny, not even 5 minutes ago I was telling my wife "I need to get smart like that guy Myer's".  I watched his video on setting up a pid a few days ago.  I'll most likely have 3 cookers with 4 bags in each so the less I have to watch the better.  Really looking into a barrel sterilizer but need to make sure the demand is there.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26800209 - 07/02/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just build the steamer. By the time you pay for two more PC's you are almost there as far as price goes. Then you just press a button and walk away. This may help you some if you want to build a steamer I never finished it. I was waiting until my drum started leaking so I could make a video but it still is not leaking...

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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26800293 - 07/02/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yea I probably will end up building one in the next month or so, definitely before winter.  Around how many 5 lb bags can you fit in one?  I already have 3 pcs, grabbed an AA 921 and 25x for $250 a few weeks ago.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26800371 - 07/02/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think about 60 5 lb bags but I have never had to fill it. I was going to go hard this year since I got everything finally working well. But I had a heart attack and with the COVID 19 I slacked off. I am spending a lot of time on my high-pressure Mist system I am trying to get the price as low as possible so people can have a high-pressure system for under $300. It has been more work than I anticipated. Searching for parts is something I don't enjoy. But this thing is badass.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26801069 - 07/03/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

60 5 lb bags would be great.  It's looking like my workflow is going to be around 75 bags a week once things get moving. 

I think my first run of bags went ok, held them at 17psi for 3 hours.  Only thing I noticed was a bit of water in between the folds of the bag, was going to unfold it to let the water drip back into the sawdust but not sure.

Is it normal to have water in the folds?  If not what can I do to avoid it?


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26801130 - 07/03/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

sounds like you took them out to early I leave mine for 2 days in my steamer to let them cool completely. I am not sure of your procedure or how you are seeing water in the folds the bags should be tight against the sub like it was vacuum packed. If they cool to quickly you probably will have contamination.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26801153 - 07/03/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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sounds like you took them out to early I leave mine for 2 days in my steamer to let them cool completely. I am not sure of your procedure or how you are seeing water in the folds the bags should be tight against the sub like it was vacuum packed. If they cool to quickly you probably will have contamination.





After the pc hit 0psi for about 20 minutes set it in front of my flow hood.  Opened the bags in the flow and let them cool overnight in front of it.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26801379 - 07/03/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Can you take a pic of the water in the folds you are talking about? Are the bags tight against the sub? I have never done it like you are talking about so I don't know what to expect. Here are some pics of properly folded bags done correctly...



As you can see. I would not be able to see any water in the folds. I can not see the folds.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26801383 - 07/03/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Something you might think about doing is putting your bags in a pillowcase or something to keep the bags from touching the sides of the PC. If you don't you will eventually melt the bags especially if you are using a gas stove. When I PC my bags I put them in a pillowcase just to be safe. There is nothing worse than wasting 3 or 4 hours because you did not spend 30 sec putting them in a pillowcase.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26801440 - 07/03/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry I should have specified that I presealed my bags.  I can get a picture up once I get back to them, the water was in between the layers of plastic towards the top of the bag.  The pillowcase definitely sounds like a good idea, last thing I want to do is open up to a bunch of melted bags.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26801470 - 07/03/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just out of curiosity why would you pre-seal your sub bags? Now you have to cut them open to spawn to them. If you fold your sub bags properly you will be fine. The only thing I pre-seal is my sub bags. I use these they are quicker than an impulse sealer and you have the luxury of opening the bag...

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The good news is if they were pre-sealed you have nothing to worry about they are fine. As long as you have your moisture ccontent right.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26801605 - 07/03/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The reason I preseal is because sometimes the bags won't be getting inoculated for 2-3 days after sterilization.  I thought about just folding them over then placing into totes wiped out with iso but just feel weird about leaving bags unsealed for a few days.

This is my first rodeo with edibles and bags so it's all a learning experience.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26801751 - 07/03/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I understand this is your 1st time with edibles. You are doing great so far and I did not mean to sound like I am downing you because I am not. You are doing GREAT!! Just so you know that bag that I took a picture of has 29 brothers and sisters sitting right beside it. They are in open air and I have taken no other precautions other than folding the bags. Those were done 2 weeks ago and it will be another few days before they are inoculated. They should be inoculated immediately but I ran into a problem with mice eating my spawn bags so I had to fix it so no mice can get to my spawn. They were made with soy hulls so if they were going to contaminate they would have already been contaminated.

Anyway my point being. You do not have to seal the bags. A natural cool will seal them tight and you will have to pull the bag apart with some force to inoculate. Next time you do sub bags just try it and you will never go back to pre-sealing once you see how well they seal by just folding. If I would have pushed out the air from the bag when folding the bag would have been super tight. But that takes time and effort and as you can see it is not needed.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26803220 - 07/04/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ran 12 bags last night and 3 of them burst. Would wrapping in pillowcases have saved them?  The 2 together were the bottom row in my AA 921 and the solo burst was in my 25x. 


The 25x fluctuates in psi a bit even when I don't touch the knob.  The 921 was rolling along at a steady 16psi when I heard them go, it was about 90 minutes into the cycle.






edit:  I'm wondering if it's the way I stacked them.  The top rows were perpendicular to the bottom, they blew out right where the gap in the top row was.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #26803284 - 07/04/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's because you are sealing them before you PC them.  How's the increasingly hot air gonna escape?  Blow a hole.


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Re: First run with bags. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26803303 - 07/04/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, I understand this is your 1st time with edibles. You are doing great so far and I did not mean to sound like I am downing you because I am not. You are doing GREAT!! Just so you know that bag that I took a picture of has 29 brothers and sisters sitting right beside it. They are in open air and I have taken no other precautions other than folding the bags. Those were done 2 weeks ago and it will be another few days before they are inoculated. They should be inoculated immediately but I ran into a problem with mice eating my spawn bags so I had to fix it so no mice can get to my spawn. They were made with soy hulls so if they were going to contaminate they would have already been contaminated.

Anyway my point being. You do not have to seal the bags. A natural cool will seal them tight and you will have to pull the bag apart with some force to inoculate. Next time you do sub bags just try it and you will never go back to pre-sealing once you see how well they seal by just folding. If I would have pushed out the air from the bag when folding the bag would have been super tight. But that takes time and effort and as you can see it is not needed.





And I have my steamer outside. So when they are done I open air outside move them from the steamer to my flowhood area. They often sit for a few days with the fan off before inoculation because of my work schedule and letting them dry off and stuff. With no problems of not pre-sealing. Just letting the cooling off period perform a "seal". So to illustrate that the no seal "seal" method you are mentioning works, under even a dirty environment such as outside.


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