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what other compounds, chemicals give a strain its character?
    #26799298 - 07/02/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I kinda hijacked someone else's thread a half hour ago (tho everyone ignored it anyway), so I thought it would make an interesting post...

I am very familiar with all the terpenes and terpenoids in weed that gives each strain its character, but now that someone brought it up I am curious- What other compounds or chemicals do different varieties of cubes have that gives each trip its character?  Or to be correct, what does any strain (meaning from each germinated spore) have different from one another besides psylocin and psylocybin?


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: AtmozFear] * 1
    #26799309 - 07/02/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You probably won't find a good answer to this question. No compounds within psilocybin-containing mushrooms have been shown to have psychoactivity at the levels they're expressed in the mycelium/mushrooms other than psilocybin/psilocin. That said, a lot of anecdotal evidence suggests there are differences at least between different species that go beyond potency. Whether this comes down to set and setting or is a genuine chemical difference is an open question.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Mycoactive]
    #26799315 - 07/02/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:takingnotes:  thanks, appreciate it


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Mycoactive] * 2
    #26799331 - 07/02/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

While varities can exhibit tendencies or higher frequency of traits occurring, the potential for anything to happen is always present. While it’s probably likely that individual genetics could have wildly different quantities of given compounds it will still be within range for the species.

That all said we don’t even know all the compounds that are at play. Norpsilocin was just recently been discovered in cubes. There could be more.

Yet despite all that I’m not one to consider things like “spirituality” when evaluating effects. Visual effects vs body load is more what I’m balancing. Is there an increased sense of synesthesia? These are what I’m looking for.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26799337 - 07/02/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

maybe we should expand to that question then...

What kinds of sensations are consistent the most in what group of mushrooms with similar properties?


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26799346 - 07/02/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don’t think anyone can definitively answer those questions. Far too little work has been done in the field due to the illegal nature of it.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26799350 - 07/02/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

thanks... learned that nothing has been learned :grin:


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26799369 - 07/02/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Lol. Theres something in there that starts with a B too. The word reminds me of bacitraycin though its not that similar.

dennis McKenna was talking about extracting just that stuff and taking it. I can't remember what he said his experience was on it though.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26799376 - 07/02/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The ones I know of are
Psilocin
Psilocybin
Baeocystin
Norbaeocystin
Norpsilocin (discovered in cubes).


There are some people who believe there is also a compound in azures that causes temporary paralysis. Some people might be doing some work on finding it.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26799380 - 07/02/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Lol. Theres something in there that starts with a B too. The word reminds me of bacitraycin though its not that similar.

dennis McKenna was talking about extracting just that stuff and taking it. I can't remember what he said his experience was on it though.



Thanks Roger!  :takingnotes:  I'll have to look that up.  I read in a kindle book that the most consistently strongest cube (besides mutants) is Amazonian... let me see if I can locate that again (yes I know that every spore is its own strain and all that, but we're talking cubes with similar properties not varieties).

Edit:  definitely will look into those Pasty!  Also from another kindle book- azure's are among the strongest psylocybe species correct?  at least in most cases?

(I pay $10 a month for Kindle... I still love reading textbooks)


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26799718 - 07/02/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Dude I used to drive around with a fucking book in my hand. I got pulled over once going around a traffic circle cuz some cops saw me one handing while driving and reading :lol: I was really good at it and my drives became so nice. I would look down and gather a whole sentence in my head and then look back at the road as I read it in my head, then peek back at the book, back at the road.

I wouldn't do it in traffic or city driving though. I was addicted to reading for like 5 years. I still read a lot but mostly i listen to books now since i upgraded from the flip phone.

It all started with some fantasy book I came up on in jail. It didn't even have a cover so I didn't know what it was called for the longest time. I eventually discovered it in a book store while browsing shelves. I don't remember the exact book in the series but it was an L.E. Modesitt jr book. Magic of recluse maybe. I thought people who read books for fun were just simpletons before that lol.

Back on track - Baeocystin - that's the one.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26799722 - 07/02/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you ask me, the only thing that has an impact is psilocin at the end of the day. I'm willing to entertain the idea that other compounds have some effects, but honestly I don't really believe that they do. Even psilocybin is just broken down into psilocin. But I'd be happy to be wrong about that.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: nooneman]
    #26799900 - 07/02/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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If you ask me, the only thing that has an impact is psilocin at the end of the day. I'm willing to entertain the idea that other compounds have some effects, but honestly I don't really believe that they do. Even psilocybin is just broken down into psilocin. But I'd be happy to be wrong about that.




Then simply couple this with
1) the Amount of the Psilocin in the given shroom, and
2) the ease at which that amount is metabolized into the system.

It takes different amounts of time to digest mushroom tissue, and the array of variability people experience is often tied to the rate at which it "hits" your system.

Slower, measured release (more fungus tissue to break down) convey different felt experiences than OHFUCKITSALLHITTINGATONCE trips.

I think people naturally over-complicate mushrooms in the end-- with the immense variability of people's unique body state and mental equipment, nobody is ever going to "solve" a subjective experience. nooneman is right-- they are basically all the same thing. If they weren't, we'd have figured it out after 80 years of analysis.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26799916 - 07/02/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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It all started with some fantasy book I came up on in jail. It didn't even have a cover so I didn't know what it was called for the longest time. I eventually discovered it in a book store while browsing shelves. I don't remember the exact book in the series but it was an L.E. Modesitt jr book. Magic of recluse maybe. I thought people who read books for fun were just simpletons before that lol.

Back on track - Baeocystin - that's the one.




haha I love Lord of the Rings!!  and Willow!  and now I know how you rose so fast to notoriety in this community... those who read succeed!

I'm about to google Baeocystin now... (was in the shower washing my grundle)

Edit:  hmmm one of the four major psychoactive compounds in shrooms...  though it is minor within that group...

I gotta read more about that and norbaeocystin- which seems to have been mentioned a few times the last few days...


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: coAsTal]
    #26799927 - 07/02/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

From an article I read earlier today:

“The psilocybin molecule has a phosphate group attached to the oxygen atom at the 4-carbon position. When psilocybin is ingested this phosphate group is cleaved off in the body to produce psilocin which is actually the psycho-active molecule. There are some theories on what role this phosphate group plays both in Psilocybe mushrooms and once ingested by humans...”

So yeah, we still don’t know so much about how or why these mushrooms do what they do. Unfortunately, the ignorance and fear mongering of “the war on drugs” cost us decades of potential research, and scientists are only recently being allowed to trickle back into this learning space.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Phrontist]
    #26799936 - 07/02/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

yeah I heard the government recently started doing studies on shrooms and LSD... anyway, I don't consider anything that comes in whole from the earth a drug.  that said, I DO consider LSD a drug and I don't like the idea of ingesting a chemical... not to say I haven't :evil:


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26799984 - 07/02/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I thought the same thing until I tried pans.

Completely different experience, imo there’s no doubt more than just psilo involved.


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    #26799991 - 07/02/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

in general, are they harder to grow?


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26800015 - 07/02/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Pastywhyte said:
The ones I know of are
Psilocin
Psilocybin
Baeocystin
Norbaeocystin
Norpsilocin (discovered in cubes).


There are some people who believe there is also a compound in azures that causes temporary paralysis. Some people might be doing some work on finding it.




I think it's called aeruginascin


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26800019 - 07/02/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I read somewhere that wood lovers have a higher concentration of baeocystin. Not sure how or if that affects the trip though.


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