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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26797333 - 07/01/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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https://mobile.twitter.com/alexdstuckey/status/1276653523636273152


Testing site here in Houston




Jesus christ. How has the department of public health not shut that down? Around here most of the public testing is done via drive-thrus now. I guess when you have that kind of volume though there aren't many options... could at least space things out though.

I was picking up some meds at a CVS drive thru yesterday and the guy in front of me was getting swabbed.


yeah i dont know what the fuck is the deal there honestly. Looks like an urgent care so it May be just people too impatient or sick to wait the time typically takes to get one by appointment at one of the drive through sites. We have plenty of drive through facilities with strict procedures. But you do have to schedule ahead. Many are booked up a week in advance


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26797340 - 07/01/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Trump today. Completely delusional

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I think we're going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that, at some point, that's going to sort of just disappear, I hope.








When that asshole is going to get corona they're just going to keep replacing his blood volume and other highly wasteful procedures normal people never get so he makes it and then he says it was no big deal :mad2:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26797346 - 07/01/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Trump today. Completely delusional

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I think we're going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that, at some point, that's going to sort of just disappear, I hope.








News just in Madrid's Teatro Real reopens with socially distanced opera

Verdi’s La Traviata reimagined with cast and orchestra wearing face masks :nonono:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/01/madrids-teatro-real-reopens-with-socially-distanced-opera

You can just imagine how much vapour will escape those masks over the 2+ hours into that theatre. And  how many of the audience will keep them on for the entire two hours...and when they call encore!
Spain can fuk off.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
    #26797347 - 07/01/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

He’ll die just like any other 70 something fat ass.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
    #26797354 - 07/01/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Not with plasma treatments with active antibodies in the plasma to fight the infection.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26797364 - 07/01/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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LA area hospitals have reached capacity.




You're now really sick at home.
You know the hostpital cant help.

What do you do?

There's going to be a lot of deaths at home.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Ice9]
    #26797370 - 07/01/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Not with plasma treatments with active antibodies in the plasma to fight the infection.




That’s so premature it’s not even expiremental.

He’ll die.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26797380 - 07/01/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Not with plasma treatments with active antibodies in the plasma to fight the infection.




That’s so premature it’s not even expiremental.

He’ll die.





Nope they've already done initial studies, it works

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763983/

Several other studies.  Maybe google a bit before responding.

another article


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Ice9]
    #26797392 - 07/01/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26797400 - 07/01/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Eh, lots of fat 70+ year olds surviving here. Definitely more dying than skinny 25 year olds, no doubt. But even among fat people in their 70s most are surviving


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26797413 - 07/01/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Eh, lots of fat 70+ year olds surviving here. Definitely more dying than skinny 25 year olds, no doubt. But even among fat people in their 70s most are surviving




Not Trump ffs he’ll die

Jesus let me have this one

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/convalescent-plasma-therapy/about/pac-20486440


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26797425 - 07/01/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If someone has antibodies in their plasma that fight the virus shouldn’t they keep it in their own body.


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I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26797434 - 07/01/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No, you make more when your plasma levels drop, keeping the antibody titer about the same.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 3
    #26797437 - 07/01/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hope it does work, not gonna bet on it


I am not convinced any of the treatments do a whole lot against the virus itself except maybe remdesivir, and that one definitely aint foolproof- at least not as a treatment. Zinc and vitamin c may help prophylactivally as with other cold viruses. Most folks dying seem to be dying from the damage that the immune response has on organs. People who already have failing kidneys, livers, and hearts run into trouble when the inflammation becomes systemic. Could be some people with unknown blood dyscrasias also suffer more. For the former type IL and TNFa suppressants can help but often dont. For the latter type the heparin and tpa drip may prevent ischemic events it isnt clear how to tell who is who, they just script based on labs. It more or less seems to still be the case that a majority of the folks who live would have lived without any treatment at all and half or more of the folks who die will die no matter what gets thrown at them. Not always. The supplementary oxygen definitely seems to make people more comfortable during the course of the illness.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26797447 - 07/01/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, the virus is infecting the organs, its not cytokine storm situation(well not always) but because the receptor for infection is the ACE receptor which is on virtually every tissue type in humans, in the worst cases the virus is going systemic as opposed to say flu which if purely respiratory).  The silver lining, people who recover from systemic covid-19 infections have antibody titers, including the presence of various IgG antibobdies whereas people who only get mild cases typically only show titers of IgM antibodies, which are not nearly as effective a defense.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Ice9] * 3
    #26797461 - 07/01/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The virus doesnt have to infect organ tissues other than the lungs itself for the inflammation to become systemic.

I really dont feel like explaining it again but this doctor does a very good job of explaining how the pneumonia progresses to SIRS and then to MSOF. It really isnt that unique with respect to other viral pnas in terms of disease progression



Skip to 17 minutes or so

Or here. I wrote it out in this post a couple months back

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26603812#26603812


Think some laypeople are probably hearing that there is cardiomyopathy and thinking it is due to direct ace2 binding of the virus to the cardiac muscle tissue but it probably isnt. You can see cardiomyopathy with any prolonged sirs as the SVR decreases. The CO looks normal but it isnt sufficient to compensate for the change in SVR. You can give people intropes and volume replacement to bump up the CO but you have to be careful because the fluids can exacerbate the pulm edema and the inotropes increase cardiac o2 demand which can lead to ischemia since they are satting low already and especially if there ischemic DIC which is not uncommon with covid19



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Ice9]
    #26797591 - 07/01/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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People think the people who don't make politics and news what their life around don't "see reality" and all that other absolute bullshit to rationalize their own habits.

I'll get called a racist for saying the protests are ridiculous. My lift driver is black.




i found this fucking hilarious thank you for sharing




:stevolmao: Driving miss Daisy I guess :canthelpbutlaugh: thanks for quoting I woulda missed that.



Quoted pretty out of context. Fork lift driver at work


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Phase 2 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26797607 - 07/01/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oregon just made masks mandetory for all public places. Looks like Joe Biden get my vote this year! :wooyeah:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Phase 2 [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26797615 - 07/01/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

50,701 new cases in the US today

The Netherlands has 50,000 cases in total


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Phase 2 [Re: koods]
    #26797654 - 07/01/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

contact tracing is the new doxxing


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