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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26797482 - 07/01/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I find that it translates as awareness and space mostly


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26798320 - 07/02/20 02:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I believe God doesn't exist. LSD converted me to atheism, and ever since then I've had a harder and harder time understanding how people can believe in something like that. It just seems so ridiculous to me now, especially all the other beliefs that go along with it, like the stuff in the bible and all that. Like, I understand how appealing it can be, and how comforting, and how it can help people, but it just blows my mind that anyone actually believes in that stuff. But then again, people have been believing in superstitious stuff for millions of years, so maybe it shouldn't be all that surprising.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26798483 - 07/02/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Had to chuckle at this morning’s news; the Archbishop of Canterbury wants to start a debate on whether it is still appropriate to consider Jesus was white.

Don’t get me wrong, I am all for equality, but when today’s liberals get into the realms of “our imaginary friend” was not white. So what colour was he? What nationality was “the Holy Ghost”, you know the one, that guy who shagged Mary without her losing her virginity!

Nope, the dogma has always turned me off.

I share Primal’s views....

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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26798660 - 07/02/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Great post Dj:skol:

I too was brought up very religious. Went and did the whole catechism thing and attended church afterward. This was so long ago though I've forgotten so much. It just never felt authentic to me. It always felt as if i was being read a fairytale.

Theyre preaching things that have zero proof and stick behind it like there is no other way.. which even at a younger age it became unappealing. I was pretty open minded, even at a younger age. Never full of myself like I knew it all.. but would stand my ground on things unless you were extemely persuasive to make me jump ship to something else.

I'm not sure WHAT I beleive in all honesty. I'm not going to sit here and say that there is not God, because thats just as arrogant as saying there is a God. I do know, there is something beautiful. Maybe its just consciousness itself. But for me to pray or worship a God is not something I practice. Hey, maybe things will change. But I doubt it.

But I'm always integrating change into my life. So I'm not going to judge the future and just take it as it comes. But, absolutely know there is something beautiful out there. And I just hope there's something more to experience, after death.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26798751 - 07/02/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I loved reading everyone's posts :smile:

God is this exact moment, right here right now.  That's what God is and when I allow my mind to stray from god with worry and fear I suffer.  When I trust in God I find peace. 

It is comforting to know we all are cycled through this life and world the same way as one another.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: Psicomb]
    #26798757 - 07/02/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I like the ideas about "God" presented here:



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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26798783 - 07/02/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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But I'm always integrating change into my life. So I'm not going to judge the future and just take it as it comes
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cool way of putting it too!


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26798950 - 07/02/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you see two kids beating up another kid what do you do? Heaven stays silent and sorts it out "after" but we understand the suffering so most of us would step in.


  Also what's more likely?  That the laws of physics where suspended for an immaculate conception or that a young Jewish woman was lying about her pregnancy? The whole series of books from the tora, Bible to Koran are full of things that dont add up.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26799066 - 07/02/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Beautifully put, vibe_enthusiast :thumbup:


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: Socrateshroom] * 2
    #26799067 - 07/02/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’m starting to appreciate Jordan Peterson more and more these days, nice link :thumbup:


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26799177 - 07/02/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

oh, oh...

there is a real concern that children of the holocaust, (those who come from parents who have survived internment rape and abuse during the holocaust), themselves live in the shadow of that experience, and are in some way bent in their understanding of the world, and bent in their experience of events, both blind and oversensitive to things that seem ordinary to others.

I also have a concern that anyone exposed to a bible or koran lives in the shadow of that set of experiences.

When JP can transcend it and talk about cleaning up one's room with conviction then - yeah, I like him, otherwise, lobsters are good eating when you can get 'em.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26799183 - 07/02/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Interestingly, he has some talks about shamanism/psychedelics, such as below:



I find his ideas very valuable and incredibly well articulated, even if I don't agree with all of them. But his psychological work is a big influence on me and I have made as much progress in bettering myself from his work as I have from psychedelics.

Back to the topic at hand, it feels like "God" can be a placeholder for that which is outside of our understanding. God is the mystery in life and is ever-shifting. As we discover more, God changes and manifests as the new mysteries brought about by our new found knowledge. That's why, for me, if there was a "God" i'd say it was the psychedelic mushroom.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26799192 - 07/02/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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oh, oh...

there is a real concern that children of the holocaust, (those who come from parents who have survived internment rape and abuse during the holocaust), themselves live in the shadow of that experience, and are in some way bent in their understanding of the world, and bent in their experience of events, both blind and oversensitive to things that seem ordinary to others.

I also have a concern that anyone exposed to a bible or koran lives in the shadow of that set of experiences.

When JP can transcend it and talk about cleaning up one's room with conviction then - yeah, I like him, otherwise, lobsters are good eating when you can get 'em.




You don't believe that those texts, at least from a metaphorical perspective, contain some pertinent information?


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26799213 - 07/02/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The golden rule: do onto others as you'd have them do to you.


That's a golden nugget swimming in a cesspool of tyrant ideals.

But the Bible is NOT the first text to have it...so very little value in these holy books.


Jordan Peterson seems like he believes in the Bible which is one red flag for me. Also, fucking lobsters lol omg.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26799236 - 07/02/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm going to watch that video and base my judgement not upon the man but on the context of what he is saying. Because I can be biased against him.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26799238 - 07/02/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The golden rule: do onto others as you'd have them do to you.


That's a golden nugget swimming in a cesspool of tyrant ideals.

But the Bible is NOT the first text to have it...so very little value in these holy books.


Jordan Peterson seems like he believes in the Bible which is one red flag for me. Also, fucking lobsters lol omg.




But why dismiss someone because they believe in the bible? Perhaps you just disagree with much of what he says on the content of what he is saying, which is valid. However, I don't think that believing in the bible should invalidate you as a person, or your intellect, even if you believe some of the more outdated stuff that's in there.

Also I don't think the only piece of information in these books is the "golden rule". I was a militant atheist when I was younger so I'm no fan of the bible as dogma but I like how Peterson interprets the stories through an almost "Jungian" lens.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26799241 - 07/02/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm going to watch that video and base my judgement not upon the man but on the context of what he is saying. Because I can be biased against him.




:thumbup: I'd like to hear your opinion. Bias works both way and I'll admit that, although I do not share in his religious views, I do have a positive bias towards his work and that may paint some of what he says as more profound than it actually is.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26799261 - 07/02/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have been pursuing a perspective on that using psychedelics for 6 years now. I'm not certain of anything as it's not my place to state something as matter-of-fact so here are my thoughts :

Idea 1 :Existence is obviously some fucky infinite feed back loop forever propagating itself, churning and swirling all over the place. Being that, "God" is just a part of the probabilities present in the infinite and does what it does as all things do. Humans turn O2 into CO2, Plants CO2 into O2, and God manages the harder stuff.

Idea 2 :This is an older idea, that there's only one thing : God. I have abandoned this idea because it's painful to think about the various implications of there being only one thing and all the questions that arise from that.

These are my thoughts, I'm starting to give up on trying to make sense of things like this though.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26799317 - 07/02/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

After watching this particular video I have to say I agree with him here but I do think this is more of a psychedelics 101. What I mean is that most people here that have been hitting psychedelics hard would already know and understand what Jordan is saying here. It was not really what he thinks but more of what facts are known.


  And the fact that Jordan holds the Bible in some regard doesn't make me dislike him or think he doesn't have good points but it does make me weary of his ideas. When I do listen to him I feel I have to pay extra attention. He had his 12 step book which was full of half baked concepts about life, relationships etc. But in this video he doesn't present too many opinions just facts.


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Re: What are your thoughts on God [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26799335 - 07/02/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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After watching this particular video I have to say I agree with him here but I do think this is more of a psychedelics 101. What I mean is that most people here that have been hitting psychedelics hard would already know and understand what Jordan is saying here. It was not really what he thinks but more of what facts are known.


  And the fact that Jordan holds the Bible in some regard doesn't make me dislike him or think he doesn't have good points but it does make me weary of his ideas. When I do listen to him I feel I have to pay extra attention. He had his 12 step book which was full of half baked concepts about life, relationships etc. But in this video he doesn't present too many opinions just facts.




Yes, that is just one video that he has talking about the subject. He has others which go a little more in depth into the experience and its consequences (as you've correctly stated, this was more of a fact dump with some interesting psychologically postulations here and there).

And I most definitely don't go to him for my knowledge in psychedelics, that's what experimentation and this community is for. I just thought it interesting that a man like him, someone many would consider very "straight laced" has seemingly unbiased and intellectual views of things that most bible readers would call sacrilege.

His ideas obviously come from his own causal history, just as yours and mine do. But I think he transcends that limitation enough to have some very wise words to say. But I can see how some of his concepts can be considered "half-baked". I just think his work is interesting.


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