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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26795049 - 06/30/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Because wearing a mask causes more people to die, or because it would have caused a mask shortage?  I think we both know why you won't answer this question.


Because it would cause a shortage.  How many times does this have to be said?
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So this statement wasn't dishonest?

"Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks...  Often there are unintended consequences.  People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face."

So you believe him and you're against masks?  I'll play this game as long as you keep dodging the question.



That statement wasn't dishonest.  I'm not against masks.  I'm not sure where you're confused here, but maybe I can lay it out for you.

1. Masks used by the general population at that time caused more deaths because it meant that healthcare workers couldn't respond at the same level.

2. Masks are readily available now, particularly the type that healthcare workers don't need, so the problem isn't there anymore.

3. When fauci said that, he said nothing deceptive or false.  People wearing masks had the unintended consequence of making the frontline medical people unable to get the masks they needed, thereby killing more people overall.


I'm not sure if you're actually this confused or just trying to twist the narrative to fit some agenda you have.  Either way, all of this has been covered 100 times.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil]
    #26795757 - 06/30/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Because it would cause a shortage.  How many times does this have to be said?



Saying it just once is fine.  We both agree.

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I'm not against masks.  I'm not sure where you're confused here, but maybe I can lay it out for you.

1. Masks used by the general population at that time caused more deaths because it meant that healthcare workers couldn't respond at the same level.

2. Masks are readily available now, particularly the type that healthcare workers don't need, so the problem isn't there anymore.

3. People wearing masks had the unintended consequence of making the frontline medical people unable to get the masks they needed, thereby killing more people overall.



I agree with everything here.

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So this statement wasn't dishonest?

"Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks...  Often there are unintended consequences.  People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face."



When fauci said that, he said nothing deceptive or false. 

I'm not sure if you're actually this confused or just trying to twist the narrative to fit some agenda you have.  Either way, all of this has been covered 100 times.



He was clearly being deceptive to get people not to buy masks.  If he said "masks are important to prevent the spread of the virus", masks would have been in very short supply.  Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree on what is deceptive.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26795833 - 06/30/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wow. I cannot imagine the hell of serving on a jury with you.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26795839 - 06/30/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'll bet a lot of people here would say Fauci was being deceptive by trying to keep people from buying masks.

Again, for good reason.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26795912 - 06/30/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

How is he deceptive if he literally says that "the whole point" is that healthcare workers need them more than the general public at that time?


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil]
    #26796047 - 07/01/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That point I agree with.  It was the point before that that I thought was deceptive.

I get where you're coming from though.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26796161 - 07/01/20 03:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26796189 - 07/01/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Falco, Enlil and Koods, how do you guys have so much free time to fucking argue about nothing?


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: MightyWhite] * 3
    #26796353 - 07/01/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

White privilege.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26796391 - 07/01/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I knew that was coming lol


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: MightyWhite] * 1
    #26797331 - 07/01/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This mask debate really has me re-thinking my stance on DUI.

Personally, I always thought DUI was pretty abhorrent, but now I look around, and I think: cars are safer than ever, the state of drunkenness further reduces the chance of injury, and if I kill someone else, who gives a fuck? Individual freedom, bitches.

Maybe Matt Gaetz had the right idea.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Kryptos]
    #26797746 - 07/01/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I dont quite follow but I'll take a bite.....are u saying that by not wearing a mask its like driving drunk on the highway, zero fucks given?


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26797892 - 07/01/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Pretty much, yeah. Willful disregard for yourself and those around you.

The best part of the analogy is that 99% of the time, when someone DUIs, they get home safely. The other 1% of the time...well, oops.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Kryptos]
    #26797900 - 07/01/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think that's too dramatic but its a total fuck you to anybody at risk in your community it's clearly not working to not wear masks, more people are dying almost half of US states are now closing because of this bullshit tanking the economy  further over what? They don't want to wear masks so yeah don't wear a mask in public you're a dick to your fellow man,family and your country even if you don't realize it.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26797935 - 07/01/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think the NYT plagiarized me, their article comparing not wearing a mask to driving drunk was put up two hours after my comment.

Anyway.

I don't really see much of a difference, personally. Especially if whoever you run into doesn't die immediately at the scene. You make a decision, which again, the vast majority of the time will be harmless. I know way more people that have not been caught yet or have gotten DUIs, than I know people that have DUI'd and killed someone. Just like not wearing a mask in public will, oftentimes, not actually harm anyone. Most of the time you're completely fine not wearing a mask. Until you aren't.

Maybe it's "dramatic" because the results of a DUI are usually much more immediate, with flashing lights on the highway and blood everywhere, while someone dying of covid happens quietly, out of sight, out of mind.

That's kind of a cultural thing, though. For some reason we, as a culture, have decided that certain types of death are more, shall we say, important than others. Violent death is worth spending millions, but a quiet death in a hospital room can be forgotten. It's not a public spectacle. No blood on a highway for the news crews to take pictures of.

Edit: now that I think about it, another parallel: wearing a mask isn't 100% at stopping transmission, but it's a whole lot better than no mask. Just like driving sober isn't 100% safe, but it's a hell of a lot better than wasted.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil]
    #26797988 - 07/01/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Texas Honey Badger] * 1
    #26810805 - 07/08/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Im all for it im stocked up gas mask filters


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Mach z 800] * 2
    #26810813 - 07/08/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's you people that are all about not wearing a mask that could be a super spreader. Asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic people can spread that virus to an easy 300 people before they even develop symptoms.

If you don't wear a mask I'm just gonna assume at this point your a selfish asshole who doesn't care about anyone else in the world.

My mask protects you and your mask protects me. All you people against masks go start a fucking colony somewhere and see how quickly it collapses without basic health care/hygiene.

It's a piece of cloth grow the fuck up and help out your fellow man/woman


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: oculodextro]
    #26811373 - 07/08/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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My mask protects you and your mask protects me. All you people against masks go start a fucking colony somewhere and see how quickly it collapses without basic health care/hygiene.




We did. It's why the EU, Canada, and now Mexico have closed their borders to the US.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Kryptos]
    #26811437 - 07/08/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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