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So DMT with MAO is Psilocin?
    #26795928 - 06/30/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So according to this video, if you use an MAO inhibitor with DMT at a mg dose equivalent to psilocin in shrooms it should be the exact same.



Because DMT is taken in mg dose and shrooms are taken in grams dose the main difference is because DMT is pure where as psilocin are in the shrooms are not 'pure', and because DMT is usually smoked.

If you smoke (can you?, probably) psilocin in the 30mg dose (typical DMT dose?) It should act the same, correct? 10-15 min, complete visual overlay trip? Instead of with MAO and DMT eaten which would be hours, like shrooms.


Edited by Shroomer1289 (07/01/20 08:50 AM)


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: Shroomer1289] * 2
    #26795996 - 07/01/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

See receptorome chart for dmt vs psilocbyin here on post #26785392 in thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26724702/fpart/2#26724702

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No DMT with MAOI is not shrooms....DMT with RIMA (harmine) and tetrahydroharmine (2nd highest ingredient in caapi) is more what Ayahuasca is like. Psilocin is completely different, see the receptorome chart in thread given above 1/2 the way down, post #26785392 explains it all.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: Shroomer1289] * 2
    #26795999 - 07/01/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I am way too fried at this moment to go all 'sciencey' on yer ass lol. But no. A different molecule is a different molecule. That one little snip in the molecule diagram changes things completely. These moleculer diagrams are great for learning/teaching organic chemistry, but they don't go far enough. WE have all seen diagrams in high school that show electrons orbiting the nucleus. But in 'actuality', as opposed to our created 'reality' (which we need to go forward on as we learn stuff) the electron orbits are really more like a 'cloud' of electrons. But we need these scientific diagrams, even though they can be misleading. They are hieroglyphs that imply a language without actually speaking the language 'to be metaphorical'.

Mao inhibitors are not a necessary part of an equation to answer your question though. Experiments have been done where the 'rat' was hooked up intravenously to a dmt solution. The 'rat' could manipulate the amount of dmt by the  usual mechanical method (a simple valve device - ask any nurse worth her/his salt). The trips between high dose  DMT and other regulated high dose psilocin trips was different. At least this is the way I have come to understand it. But hey, I could be wrong right?

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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26796028 - 07/01/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It just occurred to me that some may interpret the word 'rat' that I used in my  above post as the rodent we commonly call a rat. In some scientific circles the word 'rat' is a slang term used in reference to  a human subject.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: tregar]
    #26796050 - 07/01/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Re: Tregar  Thanks for posting this valuable information. I probably would have missed it otherwise.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: tregar]
    #26796051 - 07/01/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes the molecules are different but as he states in the video the extra part in psilocin just allows it to be taken orally. Whereas DMT lacks it, thus requiring the inhibitor. So perhaps they can never be the same but perhaps the parts of each molecule which cause psychedelic effects are the same and if introduced to the body through the same method can expect to have the same effect?

As people say eat rooms on an empty stomach because they absorb faster.
And I have not heard of anyone eating DMT but smoking it does introduce it faster.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: Shroomer1289] * 1
    #26796056 - 07/01/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Umm nope. I recommend taking a step back from your hypothetical and clicking on the link Tregar^ in his above post offered you. Square pegs don't fit into round holes.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26796089 - 07/01/20 01:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

ah yeah, whoops, forgot to read. Will do and then post response.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: Shroomer1289]
    #26796194 - 07/01/20 04:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

rock 'n roll :thumbup:


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: scarabaeus] * 1
    #26796369 - 07/01/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well, it is true that oral dmt (with a maoi/rima) feels closer to mushrooms than to smoked dmt.

Still, it's a different experience.

Mushrooms taken with a maoi/rima feel very close to oral dmt, though.

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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26796659 - 07/01/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ime Ayahuasca makes me feel sober in the head but behind the eyelids is a static landscape of psychedelia.

On mushrooms that landscape is dynamic and chaotic.

Similar in nature but still vastly different.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26797396 - 07/01/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LosTresOjos said:
Ime Ayahuasca makes me feel sober in the head but behind the eyelids is a static landscape of psychedelia.

On mushrooms that landscape is dynamic and chaotic.

Similar in nature but still vastly different.



Same, I don't think they're that similar. 10x more clarity on dmt and with real visuals, not just tracers and subtle effects. But maybe on a high enough mushroom dose..


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: Icon]
    #26797767 - 07/01/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I get to a very similar (oral) DMT headspace on shrooms. They feel like close relatives, and for me personally shrooms are to DMT what LSD is to HBWR.

Not the same thing exactly, but far more similar than say LSD compared to DMT or Shrooms, although even these two categories have overlap.

That being said though if the dose of oral/MAO/DMT is high enough they all kind of merge for me....

During the most powerful DMT experience I ever had, not only was I within alien/mechanical hyperspace (alien birthing pools etc) but I also saw LSD there, as if I'd drank literally a bucket of it!

I'm not sure if this works both ways (though I doubt it) if one were to take huge doses of LSD and Mescaline for example, but IME LSD and mescaline (etc) simply do not produce the tryptamine headspace (alien/spirits).

Anyone ever been to hyperspace on LSD?


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: wolf8312]
    #26798814 - 07/02/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Pharmahuasca feels closer to LSD than shrooms for me. Haven't been to hyperspace on LSD, but I really enjoy the clarity from both. I feel like DMT is a consciousness stimulant. On the breakthrough doses I become so aware of my entire life, every choice made, my position and purpose in the matrix. On a low dose of Aya I still feel extra conscious, and LSD is similar in that regard. I feel like I'm better at working, dancing, gaming, everything really on these psychedelics from being much more aware and engaged in what I'm doing. Cannabis does it too on a basic level. Mushrooms always throw me for a mental loop and bouts of confusion.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: tregar]
    #26802673 - 07/04/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So I finally looked into those posts but I'm afraid I don't see how it pertains to my original question. Perhaps I lack the necessary knowledge to comprehend. Oh well I'll leave it for another time.
Thank you!


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: Shroomer1289]
    #26802962 - 07/04/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

DMT with an MAO is just that.

Psilocin is a little different, being derived of psilocybin, there's additional molecules which our bodies process.

This is how Shulgin was able to create so many different psychoactive substances, by moving molecules around on a base indole ring to achieve various effects.


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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: Shroomer1289]
    #26804219 - 07/04/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry if I accidently mislead you. I thought the link contained a chart describing where/how the different p'delics fit into the different receptor sites in our brain. I was thinking of a different link -my bad; I can understand your confusion.

I was trying to find a chart for you to explore but can't find it right now. The one I remember had DMT and psilocin fitting into different receptor sites if I remember correctly (it was very technical). I don't want to spread bad info so maybe someone who knows for sure can help us both out. I wish I could find the stupid chart!

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Re: So DMT with MAO is Shrooms? [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26806100 - 07/06/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

uh, tregar posted, not you?
Although yeah, that sounds wrong haha.


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