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Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek)
#26794966 - 06/30/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a pf tek grow, growing b+ cubes. Keep in mind this is my first grow ever. I've been having an issue and I'm not sure what to do about it - I've had a fair amount of mushrooms grow from my cakes, but mostly all of them break their veils while being relatively small/ underdeveloped.
For example, I picked these three guys just now. They were all under 2 inches tall, and weighed ~5g (fresh) total.

Compared to the pictures online, mine just seem underdeveloped, and it's taking a huge hit to my yields in terms of total weight. Does anyone know why this could be happening? I'm using a SGFC, misting around 3x a day, and fanning every 2ish hours. I suspect it's because either they're dehydrated, or overhydrated. I haven't been able to decide which it is (I thought the cakes were overhydrated after picking a shroom with a wet/ slimy cap, and the next day I thought they were dehydrated because some of the cakes had a slight blue tint and the cakes usually aren't glistening when I inspect them). I appreciate any help in advance.
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: zzrot]
#26794999 - 06/30/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just finished my first monotub grow. Had the same issue. I had about 300 mushrooms that totaled only 2.5 ounces dry. The biggest one was about 3 inches tall.
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: DGKdeck]
#26795092 - 06/30/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Never tried PF Tek, but I've had similar issues in the past with tubs as well. The key here is starting strong with field capacity sub, sufficient spawn, and steady temp/RH.
Try not to stress so much about misting and fanning, if all your work is done right, you won't have to do either very much. But again, I've never tried PF tek, you could look into shoeboxes or MiniMonos perhaps.
They looked cracked and dried up to me. IMO the cakes are dehydrated and your just soaking the fruits and surface (which will never replace field capacity levels of moisture, not without damage anyways).
Either way, I'd rather take the smaller shrooms anyways Cheers my friend, and good luck
Anyone else have thoughts?
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: Roshambastic21]
#26795098 - 06/30/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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could be genetics, are you using a spore syringe?
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: Doc9151]
#26795103 - 06/30/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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grow enviorment is what im thinking
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: tripdawg420]
#26795134 - 06/30/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: grow enviorment is what im thinking
could be, most likely, but I'm curious about the source. If it's multispore or if sector's were selected.
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: Doc9151]
#26795143 - 06/30/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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he said the pf tek so prolly syringe he aid most of his grows so
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: tripdawg420]
#26795240 - 06/30/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It happens.
I just had like 800g fresh from ones that size. All like 3 inches max.
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: Doc9151]
#26795330 - 06/30/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the replies, I had to be out of the house for a bit so apologies for just now responding.
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Roshambastic21 said: Never tried PF Tek, but I've had similar issues in the past with tubs as well. The key here is starting strong with field capacity sub, sufficient spawn, and steady temp/RH.
Try not to stress so much about misting and fanning, if all your work is done right, you won't have to do either very much. But again, I've never tried PF tek, you could look into shoeboxes or MiniMonos perhaps.
They looked cracked and dried up to me. IMO the cakes are dehydrated and your just soaking the fruits and surface (which will never replace field capacity levels of moisture, not without damage anyways).
Either way, I'd rather take the smaller shrooms anyways Cheers my friend, and good luck
Anyone else have thoughts?
I've tried to be more hands-off with the misting and fanning than I have been, cuz I know it's better to undermist than overmist. I'll put more of a focus on field capacity for my next grow. Thanks for the reply and the good wishes 
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Doc9151 said: could be genetics, are you using a spore syringe?
Yup, multispore syringe. Suppose it could just be bad genetics then
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: zzrot]
#26795336 - 06/30/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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are u fruiting in a HC
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: tripdawg420]
#26795344 - 06/30/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: are u fruiting in a HC
SGFC
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: zzrot]
#26795359 - 06/30/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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is it build right w 1/4 inch holes 2 inches apart on all 6 sides 5 iches of perlite
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: tripdawg420]
#26795444 - 06/30/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: is it build right w 1/4 inch holes 2 inches apart on all 6 sides 5 iches of perlite
yup, except 4 inches of perlite
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: zzrot]
#26795551 - 06/30/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those are pretty small but they would've kept growing for a bit. Do you have pics of your cakes?
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26795793 - 06/30/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Roger Clemency said: Those are pretty small but they would've kept growing for a bit. Do you have pics of your cakes?
They just started their 2nd flush. Might not be the best pic, let me know if you want a different one. Also the veil was ripping as I harvested them, is that not the best time to harvest?
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: zzrot]
#26799426 - 07/02/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Learn to use agar, it's stupid simple and then you can select genetics from your ms syringes and know you are using clean mycelium because syringes are inherently dirty.
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: Doc9151]
#26799700 - 07/02/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry I never saw your response ZZ. It's personal preference when to pick but most people say when the veil breaks because that means soon the cap will flatten out and drop spores everywhere. But that might take 24+ hours from that point and they will still be growing larger. Some of it will be water weight sure but some will be solid material as well.
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Re: Underdeveloped shrooms breaking their veils (B+, pf tek) [Re: zzrot]
#26992368 - 10/19/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Same thing happened to me. The third flush produced monsters that almost hit the top of a 56 qt monotub
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