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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26792917 - 06/29/20 06:44 PM (3 days, 16 hours ago)

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The jimmy Dore video is a lie. Fauci never hid that. Falcon traffics in complete bullshit as usual.



I'll repeat what Dr Fauci said:

Fauci:  "Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks"
Inerviewer:  "You're sure of it?  Because people are listening really closely to this."
Fauci:  "No.  Right now people should not be walking... there's no reason to be walking around with a mask...  Often there are unintended consequences.  People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face."

He told people they shouldn't wear masks, and THAT'S what Jimmy was talking about.  Yes, he also truthfully told them we need to protect the supply for healthcare workers, but that's not the part we're talking about.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26793024 - 06/29/20 07:32 PM (3 days, 15 hours ago)

This virus doesn’t behave like a flu virus at all. Flu viruses don’t spread from asyptomatic patients, even though a majority of flu infections are asymptomatic. Flu outbreaks rarely happen during the summer. This virus is spreading like wildfire in the hottest parts of the country in summertime.


Comparing this virus to the flu has continually been proven to be folly. We need to stop using the flu to model coronavirus.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26793057 - 06/29/20 07:45 PM (3 days, 15 hours ago)

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The jimmy Dore video is a lie. Fauci never hid that. Falcon traffics in complete bullshit as usual.



I'll repeat what Dr Fauci said:

Fauci:  "Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks"
Inerviewer:  "You're sure of it?  Because people are listening really closely to this."
Fauci:  "No.  Right now people should not be walking... there's no reason to be walking around with a mask...  Often there are unintended consequences.  People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face."

He told people they shouldn't wear masks, and THAT'S what Jimmy was talking about.  Yes, he also truthfully told them we need to protect the supply for healthcare workers, but that's not the part we're talking about.




You’re so fucking dishonest. Dore said Fauci lied about the reason he didn’t recommend masks. He’s been upfront about protecting the supply the whole time, or do you not understand what the term “and that’s the point” in the exchange that you left out, despite it being the most germane part of the interview in the context of this discussion.

Q: But it could lead to a shortage of masks
Fauci: Exactly. And that’s the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who need them.

I’m done debating this with you. You simply do not care about debating honestly and will lie repeatedly to win.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26793161 - 06/29/20 08:22 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

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This virus doesn’t behave like a flu virus at all. Flu viruses don’t spread from asyptomatic patients, even though a majority of flu infections are asymptomatic. Flu outbreaks rarely happen during the summer. This virus is spreading like wildfire in the hottest parts of the country in summertime.

Comparing this virus to the flu has continually been proven to be folly. We need to stop using the flu to model coronavirus.



The only comparison here was mask protection.  Can you please tell us the difference?

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Fauci:  "Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks"
Inerviewer:  "You're sure of it?  Because people are listening really closely to this."
Fauci:  "No.  Right now people should not be walking... there's no reason to be walking around with a mask...  Often there are unintended consequences.  People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face."

He told people they shouldn't wear masks, and THAT'S what Jimmy was talking about.  Yes, he also truthfully told them we need to protect the supply for healthcare workers, but that's not the part we're talking about.



You’re so fucking dishonest. Dore said Fauci lied about the reason he didn’t recommend masks.



Can you tell me where in the video "Dore said Fauci lied about the reason he didn’t recommend masks"?  Or are you make believing again?

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He’s been upfront about protecting the supply the whole time, or do you not understand what the term “and that’s the point” in the exchange that you left out, despite it being the most germane part of the interview in the context of this discussion.

Q: But it could lead to a shortage of masks
Fauci: Exactly. And that’s the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who need them.



Yes, and I already agreed with you on that in my last post: "he also truthfully told them we need to protect the supply for healthcare workers".  :facepalm:

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I’m done debating this with you. You simply do not care about debating honestly and will lie repeatedly to win.



Again, all you have to do is tell me where in the video "Dore said Fauci lied about the reason he didn’t recommend masks".  If you can do that, we're done.  If not, you're make believing again.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26793171 - 06/29/20 08:23 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

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You act like there's no difference between the two.



If we're talking about how these spread, there seems to be little difference.  What's different about how COVID-19 spreads vs how flu was believed to be spread many years ago?

How Influenza is Spread



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Between October 1st 2019 and April 4th 2020 56 million people got the flu and out of 56 million people there was 62 thousand deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

So in 7 months 62 thousand died from the flu out of 56 million that got it.

In 6 months Covid 19 has infected about 2.59 million people and killed 128 thousand that's 66 thousand more deaths then the flu in one month less time




I outlined the difference. Covid has killed almost double the amount of people in the same time frame as the flu and 56 million people got the flu as opposed to 2.5m or so with COVID that's generously 53 million more people infected with double the deaths. Yeah fauci was told to lie by the Trump admin and he did but that doesn't take any importance away from basic preventive measures we ALL need to do to save lives and make sure we don't have a complete shut down AGAIN . Already California's bars were forced to shut down and more importantly the state's that were jumping to reopen before guidelines were met are now having to shut down AGAIN. Texas is the new hotspot of America, florida and arizona qre back to capacity and about 30 other states have seen unsustainable explosions of cases because we are wasting time debating whether we should do what we can to beat this and open safely by putting a fucking mask on. It's still not going to go away it's just going to save lives and allow the economy to ACTUALLY reopen


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26793181 - 06/29/20 08:28 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

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I outlined the difference. Covid has killed almost double the amount of people in the same time frame as the flu and 56 million people got the flu as opposed to 2.5m or so with COVID that's generously 53 million more people infected with double the deaths.



Yes, there's no question that COVID-19 is far more deadly than the flu.  The discussion was about whether masks are effective or not.

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Yeah fauci was told to lie by the Trump admin and he did but that doesn't take any importance away from basic preventive measures we ALL need to do to save lives and make sure we don't have a complete shut down AGAIN . Already California's bars were forced to shut down and more importantly the state's that were jumping to reopen before guidelines were met are now having to shut down AGAIN. Texas is the new hotspot of America, florida and arizona qre back to capacity and about 30 other states have seen unsustainable explosions of cases because we are wasting time debating whether we should do what we can to beat this and open safely by putting a fucking mask on. It's still not going to go away it's just going to save lives and allow the economy to ACTUALLY reopen



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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26793207 - 06/29/20 08:39 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

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I outlined the difference. Covid has killed almost double the amount of people in the same time frame as the flu and 56 million people got the flu as opposed to 2.5m or so with COVID that's generously 53 million more people infected with double the deaths.



Yes, there's no question that COVID-19 is far more deadly than the flu.  The discussion was about whether masks are effective or not.

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Yeah fauci was told to lie by the Trump admin and he did but that doesn't take any importance away from basic preventive measures we ALL need to do to save lives and make sure we don't have a complete shut down AGAIN . Already California's bars were forced to shut down and more importantly the state's that were jumping to reopen before guidelines were met are now having to shut down AGAIN. Texas is the new hotspot of America, florida and arizona qre back to capacity and about 30 other states have seen unsustainable explosions of cases because we are wasting time debating whether we should do what we can to beat this and open safely by putting a fucking mask on. It's still not going to go away it's just going to save lives and allow the economy to ACTUALLY reopen



I absolutely agree.



I'm glad we can agree on something, we disagree on alot and for some reason I like you even though we fight but people just need to wear the masks period. They are effective, no other country disputes this so I'm glad we agree on that. That's all I want is people across America to agree on just one thing wear a mask. It's maddening that we don't


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26793224 - 06/29/20 08:46 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

Yes it’s very maddening. It’s also maddening that people like falcon seemed determined to undermine people like Fauci by claiming he lied when he did no such thing.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26793393 - 06/29/20 10:23 PM (3 days, 12 hours ago)

Fauci never made any kind of claim about effectiveness of the masks. He only said that they shouldnt be worn by the majority of people during the beggining of the epidemic due to a shortage. Someone is conflaiting something to something that that something isnt....


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26793408 - 06/29/20 10:33 PM (3 days, 12 hours ago)

He even said that “right now people should not be walking around with masks” that “right now” is a pretty deliberate indication that their recommendation may change. And he said it twice. No where did he say masks didn’t work. He just said people shouldn’t be wearing them... right now.

As far as I can see Fauci didn’t try to hide anything


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26793545 - 06/30/20 12:39 AM (3 days, 10 hours ago)

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All you have to do is tell me where in the video "Dore said Fauci lied about the reason he didn’t recommend masks".  If you can do that, we're done.  If not, you're make believing again.



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Ok, so it appears you were make believing about that.

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He even said that “right now people should not be walking around with masks” that “right now” is a pretty deliberate indication that their recommendation may change. And he said it twice. No where did he say masks didn’t work. He just said people shouldn’t be wearing them... right now.

As far as I can see Fauci didn’t try to hide anything



He hid the fact that he KNEW his 'recommendation' was going to change.  He admitted that the reason he told people they didn't need to wear a mask was to ensure that the healthcare workers got them.

I'm not saying his intention was bad, I'm saying he lied about the need for masks.  Countries that wore more masks earlier did better than the US.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26793599 - 06/30/20 01:32 AM (3 days, 9 hours ago)

None of what you just said is true. Nada.

He’s always said the reason was to preserve the supply. That was “the point” as he explicitly said in the interview. His use of the words “right now” to describe the current recommendation clearly indicate the policy may change. You’re so full of shit. I can’t tell if you’re desperately trying to spin or incapable of analyzing a couple sentences.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26793650 - 06/30/20 02:58 AM (3 days, 8 hours ago)

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All you have to do is tell me where in the video "Dore said Fauci lied about the reason he didn’t recommend masks".  If you can do that, we're done.  If not, you're make believing again.



***CRICKETS***

Ok, so it appears you were make believing about that.

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He even said that “right now people should not be walking around with masks” that “right now” is a pretty deliberate indication that their recommendation may change. And he said it twice. No where did he say masks didn’t work. He just said people shouldn’t be wearing them... right now.

As far as I can see Fauci didn’t try to hide anything



He hid the fact that he KNEW his 'recommendation' was going to change.  He admitted that the reason he told people they didn't need to wear a mask was to ensure that the healthcare workers got them.

I'm not saying his intention was bad, I'm saying he lied about the need for masks.  Countries that wore more masks earlier did better than the US.




He never said anything to downplay the need for masks. No matter how hard you want that to be the case. And from that video i think its pretty clear by him saying "at this time", that his reccomendation is subject to change.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26793904 - 06/30/20 07:28 AM (3 days, 3 hours ago)

There's a huge difference between airborne transmission and respiratory droplet transmission.  I don't know if there is much difference between how covid is spread vs a flu, though.  I didn't say anything about that.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Enlil]
    #26793949 - 06/30/20 07:52 AM (3 days, 3 hours ago)

People seem to think that respiratory droplets with virus in them flyimg through the air constitutes airborne transmission. I heard this same line of stuff during the ebola outbreak, constantly.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: koods]
    #26794044 - 06/30/20 09:00 AM (3 days, 2 hours ago)

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None of what you just said is true. Nada.



Source, or make believe?  You'll have to be more specific about what wasn't true.

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He’s always said the reason was to preserve the supply. That was “the point” as he explicitly said in the interview.



Yes, and I've agreed with you twice, three times now on this.

When you say "the reason", you mean the reason he lied about people not needing masks, correct?

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His use of the words “right now” to describe the current recommendation clearly indicate the policy may change. You’re so full of shit. I can’t tell if you’re desperately trying to spin or incapable of analyzing a couple sentences.



His use of the words "right now" was to protect the supply of masks for healthcare workers, according to Dr Fauci himself.  You just admitted that and I just agreed with you three times.


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    #26794045 - 06/30/20 09:02 AM (3 days, 2 hours ago)

So are you admitting that Fauci was right?  People should not have been wearing masks in public at that time?  Or are you saying he was wrong?


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    #26794054 - 06/30/20 09:07 AM (3 days, 2 hours ago)

I'm saying FAUCI HIMSELF said the reason he told people that masks weren't important at the time was to protect the supply of masks for healthcare workers.  Otherwise he wouldn't have said that.


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Re: Biden Wants to make Masks Mandatory for Public Areas [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26794123 - 06/30/20 09:48 AM (3 days, 1 hour ago)

IMO people in Asian cities were primarily wearing masks, previous to this, because of pollution and allergies, rather than anything to do with infectious diseases. I'll admit that my source is a work of fiction, but Mario Puzo's 1978 novel, "Fools Die" described people in public in Tokyo wearing them for those reasons.


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    #26794144 - 06/30/20 09:58 AM (3 days, 1 hour ago)

Could be.  I got my info from a coworker living in Japan.


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